Tuesday, June 24, 2008

Charity's Views on Stealing

During my conversations in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we covered the Ten Commandments. Here is a transcript of our discussion about stealing.

Ralph: Now I do understand a little bit, I remember the history of the Ten Commandments, they had a new city and such being built there and there was chaos and disorder and Moses was their leader and he has to say, "Behave, folks, you know, Basically, here's our constitution for running this place. Don't kill anybody, Don't steal from people, Don't go stealing their wives."

Charity: What are the other avenues of these Ten Commandments? You quoted one.

Ralph: “You shall not steal” is another one.

Charity: Which means?

Ralph: Don't take something that they own from somebody. Don't go steal his horse.

Charity: Why should that be a commandment from The Creator?

Ralph: I'm just telling you it's listed there.

Charity: That does not exist.

Ralph: If the man has a horse to get around on, if you steal it, he can't get around. That's not right.

Charity: But why should one human have something the other human does not have?

Ralph: Well, if the other human wants a horse, he should earn the money to buy the horse. Or he should ask to borrow the horse. He shouldn't go and sneak it out in the middle of the night without permission.

Charity: What's the difference between stealing per se and taking it without asking?

Ralph: Without permission and therefore depriving him of something he rightfully owned in the first place.

Charity: But still there is not a commandment as per se or a rule from The Creator in our realm. We don't take something without asking. Why would it therefore be a rule of The Creator when The Creator knows what's – we all have the same aspects as all in our space.

Ralph: Excellent point. I'm just bringing it up as another reason why so many people get to CMC and Avenal State Prisons, for stealing things.

Charity: That does not equate.

Ralph: That's where we get the message that this is a no-no thing to do and The Creator disapproves of it, so therefore we should pass laws against it.

Charity: First of all, The Creator would not exercise that rule at all because The Creator knows what we have in Thoughtspace, we're all the same for all of us. Therefore no rule would be passed or created by The Creator to make note of a human aspect. So that is not from The Creator.

Ralph: Well, I think you can see it as a reasonable principle for a tribe of people setting up a little town.

Charity: That would be a reasonable explanation for another human to put that as a rule, but then use it as stating it, "It's not my rule," as stating the human, but God’s or The Creator's rule. That way it is enforced why that rule was written down. Therefore as you say, it is not The Creator's rule.

Ralph: I think you are quite logical about that. I'm just pointing out that was the second one that Moses brought down to his tribe from the mountain top where he said God gave it to him.

Charity: As we have said, The Creator created the human population. The Creator is not going to lay down these rules of conduct to the human population. All these are done by the human population to control the population.

Ralph: Well, they've been used for that for a long time. Well, the next one beyond that is "Do not desire another man's wife, do not desire his house, his land, his slaves, his cattle, his donkeys or anything else that he owns."

Charity: OK

Ralph: That's next to "do not steal" – do not want them. So I would think you would have the same reasoning as the "do not steal" issue. You are not there concerning yourself with owning these things.

Charity: No, you humans are.

Ralph: A good social rule.

Charity: Of course, you are going through these somewhat fast.

Ralph: I'm just trying to make sure we cover all the items, because those are all laid down as God's rules of conduct and every church goes by these things in what they preach. And then they stand up there and make you feel guilty if you have failed to follow them all. And that is a major control mechanism in our culture.

Charity: Again, it is a control feature that you humans have applied to other humans.

Ralph: That is what it says, "These are the commandments that the Lord gave to all of you when you were gathered at the mountain when you spoke with a mighty voice from the fire and from the thick clouds, He gave us these commandments and no others." No amendments allowed, I guess. "Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me."

Charity: Is that not what –

Ralph: There they were, written all out on the stone tablets.

Charity: Why would The Creator want to write out something that He delegated to the human population on fixed rules? There are no rules in our realm. Why should The Creator choose to have rules for the human population? Why would He need to change the avenue of the way things are run?

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