Saturday, June 21, 2008

Charity's Views on the Jews of Jesus' Day

In 1995, I had many conversations with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. This is a transcript of one such conversation about the Jews of Jesus’ day and the way they viewed what Charity calls “The Creator”.

Ralph: The other conflict then was the Jews and the sect that became the Christians, which was not anywhere else in the world.

Charity: No.

Ralph: There is only one God. But the Jews had labeled this as a vengeful God that would punish people that didn't obey His rules, and I have heard that in the Jewish temple since that time, which seems like a bad, hostile parent.

Charity: Right

Ralph: It doesn't match. And Christ said, "It's a loving God that loves all of you even though you are doing awful things." This is a more positive view which is what my father was teaching, as an improvement over the Jewish God. But there still is only One. Nobody debated that, and they would not have a god of this and a god of that and a god of the other. But then they also prided themselves on sacrificing themselves. Since Christ was killed, if they were killed, they were like Christ, and you end up annihilating a large portion of the population that way, which is not a very productive way to proceed.

Charity: No, it is not.

Ralph: I couldn't quite see why they were all laying themselves open for execution.

Charity: What they saw in part of the Teacher [Jesus Christ] was the aspect of a forgiving nature which most of the humans up until this time also did not have. They saw in the Teacher something that they wanted to have. Therefore that is why they were sacrificing themselves to be the same as what "The Teacher" was.

Ralph: Now, there is no mention in this manuscript about the belief in being reincarnated later, that this was any kind of a positive attitude, even though I know it was a part of the belief system of that time.

Charity: Yes, it was.

Ralph: Did that play an important part? That they could say, "Go ahead and kill me. I'll be back later."

Charity: Yes

Ralph: So it didn't mean that much to them.

Charity: They believed that most fiercely that they would go ahead and offer themselves for that because they wanted to be part of that particular nature of The Teacher. But they also knew they were going to be coming back again to be, as the book states, to be reborn, even though that isn't in there.

Ralph: Actually, what it says in here is not the reincarnation concept. It is believed by many now that Christ rose from the dead on the third day after his execution, and therefore is they "believe in Christ," take Christ into their heart, they will rise from the dead, which meant the physical body would come up out of the grave.

Charity: At the appointed time. We have an answer to that aspect. Which life is going to be resurrected? Which body?

Ralph: Oh, I've heard you. That's why the two messages don't jive. And the reincarnation message doesn't jive with that one.

Charity: As we were stating, it was the start of the Great Deception.

Ralph: You must go in a certain place and live in a certain building, and things like that, or attend a certain church. So you have much more broader rules. Like the Jews cannot drink out of certain dishes, and that is very strict. You can't use the pot for cooking that you are using for something else.

Charity: No.

Ralph: You don't care what kind of pot they use as long as they eat healthy food.

Charity: We don't care what kind of religion they care to worship. Just as long as it does not indoctrinate or change the role of the human at that time. We chose for them not to be a follower of things and follow blindly.

Ralph: Instead of listening to their own Essence, listening to the turned Essence of a cult leader.

Charity: Most correct.

[Here we have a discussion of the Dead Sea Scrolls.]

Ralph: And the other books were going to be burned and destroyed, but the librarians decided to bury them in the desert instead. Thank you folks. And they finally dug them up 1500 years later. All part of the plan, of course. Now, we came to this question the other time about what did happen at the time of the crucifixion. First off, there is in here an excellent discussion of the way the Gospels write about the reasons for the crucifixion, who was responsible for it, being he was executed by the Roman governor, along with other criminals that had been sentenced by the Roman governor and yet it was the Jewish leaders, Sanhedrin, etc. that were accusing him of all these terrible things.

Charity: Misdeeds, yes

Ralph: Right, and they allegedly pressured the governor to execute him, and the governor, according to the Bible, said, "No, he hasn't done anything wrong," and they list Pontius Pilate as the one who said that – He was really a nasty guy in history, who executed anybody he cared to. He was not a patsy.

Charity: No.

Ralph: So they give a false picture of the Roman governor of that day, who was really a very cruel person, and he wouldn't have cared what they accused him of, he would go ahead and execute him.

Charity: How do I explain this?

Ralph: So the writers here were trying to blame the orthodox Jews.

Charity: Correct

Ralph: And not blame the Romans, who were really in charge of execution.

Charity: Correct

Ralph: The only time the Jewish leaders could punish anybody was if they violated some religious law.

Charity: Correct, and they take it up with the Roman government to make sure that execution, or whatever else, was carried out. And they can say, therefore, that the Romans are the ones that executed them, they did not.

Ralph: Well, in this case there is that appearance in the Bible to blame it all on the Jews. And therefore they have gotten blamed for killing Jesus and that's been a major problem for the Jews. Because then the Christians can say, "Well, you killed our leader and we can hate you therefore."

Charity: Therefore it fosters a beginning of an ethnic hatred.

Ralph: Antisemitism, par excellence

Charity: And so once it has done that, it is beginning to be sanctioned to all corners of your globe.

Ralph: That's not a very healthy thing.

Charity: Therefore the Deception has started as we told you, it was the Great Deception.

Ralph: OK, now was the execution – the other reason that the Romans would have wanted to execute him was that they were putting down everybody who was challenging their rule.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: And he was just one more out of hundreds, another young rebel.

Charity: He was one who was creating havoc, that's correct. And they did not want him to be proclaimed as King of anything. And that was what they were proclaiming him as was King. Therefore they were usurping the authority of the Emperor at that time by making part of the Great Teacher a King onto their own right, when he was not.

Ralph: Well, did the Sanhedrin and Pharasees, who were the leading organizations of the Jewish church group, did they want to get him killed for some other reason?

Charity: The crescendo happened with them bringing to the ruling government at that time that this human being was a detriment to them as leaders to make sure that the humans obeyed the laws of the government. By doing that, the government said, "Yes, you are most correct. We were thinking about destroying this human being anyway."

Ralph: OK, there is another interesting thing I didn't know about until I was reading here, and that is some 60-70 years after Christ's birth there was a revolt by the Jews against the Roman government and it was after that that the Gospels were written, that were accepted were written. And they were being written after the Jews had lost the battle, and they were struggling for survival and they didn't want to antagonize the Romans anymore.

Charity: What the Jews needed was some kind of strong positive self esteem that they could realize was there and they could follow it. That was what they needed. That was why they were written, but they were so deceived in the concept of different matters that the book was written.

Ralph: I'm just saying that between the time of Christ's life and later when those books were actually put down in black and white, there was the war.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: That the Jews lost, and therefore they were in the position of a losing enemy, and they didn't dare write things or publicize things that would antagonize the Romans anymore.

Charity: Yes, of course.

Ralph: Then they were blaming the other Jews for this horrible deed, and making the Romans look like nice guys who were patsies.

Charity: That's correct.

Ralph: And that is what they were really interested in, keeping the Romans from annihilating them any further.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: So you see that as being a reasonable reason for it.

Charity: Yes.

Ralph: Now, at the time of the crucifixion and the three days and being born again, there we have again several different stories in here as to who they were talking to three days later.

Charity: As we told you, it was an image of the human that they had perceived and still knew. If we had come to them as another entity or another energy life force, or into another human body, it would have not – the Great Deception could not have started. Therefore it was entered into that aspect that we brought the human back onto the earth to walk around and to say, "Hey, I'm here."

Ralph: OK, what happened to his physical body that was lying in the grave?

Charity: It was decayed and disappeared, basically.

Ralph: In three days?

Charity: Yes, we can do that.

Ralph: You superdecayed it? You speeded up the process?

Charity: You have to remember too –

Ralph: You couldn't have it in two places?

Charity: No, we can't. You have to remember, too, back in those times, you had the, they say that, if I remember right, that the stone of the tomb was rolled and covered it, and when this female human came, she found the stone moved away from it, and there was nothing laying in the tomb when she came. First of all, when you have a boulder or rock that is going to be rolled into it, it's not going to encase that body so that nothing can ever come inside.

Ralph: Certainly, air is going to come in.

Charity: Not only that but, how do we say this? Other creatures can come in.

Ralph: Well, it was not a tight seal.

Charity: Do you understand what we're saying?

Ralph: You could get in there whether a rock was in front of it or not.

Charity: Do you understand what we're saying?

Ralph: With a rock in a door, you are going to have all kind of cracks around it.

Charity: Creatures can get in to it and therefore –

Ralph: Termites, ants do this all the time at our houses.

Charity: And other matters of animals, yes. Therefore it, the body, was not there anymore, because there was nothing left of the body and whatever was not done away with, the rest of it was done away with by ourselves.

Ralph: So the physical body was –

Charity: No more. It was not existing.

Ralph: Dust unto dust, yes, shall we say. It returned to its original atomic parts

Charity: That's being nice, yes.

Ralph: It went back to its original atomic forms, but these people saw an image that was somewhat like him. [a hologram]

Charity: It was the image of the human that they remembered.

Ralph: OK.

Charity: If we had chosen to come back as some other form, they would not have recognized it and the Deception could not have started.

Ralph: So he did not rise physically with the same body out of the grave after having been killed with all the knives and swords into him?

Charity: No. That was an illusion brought on by ourselves.

Ralph: He actually said that to several people in the non-published books.

Charity: He also said in the published version, "Don't touch me."

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