During my conversations in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we discussed the Ten Commandments. Here is one regarding the injunction to respect one’s parents.
Ralph: The next one is "Respect your father and your mother, as I the Lord your God command you so that all may go well with you and so that you may live a long time in the land that I am giving you."
Charity: Why would The Creator want to say that?
Ralph: I think it's a nice idea to respect your father and your mother. We've talked about that recently.
Charity: Right, but that's just as a child who is growing up, and when you are as a child when you grow up, everything that you are learning culture-wise, and value-wise, and so forth is by the avenue of your parents, as the Guardian has picked out. Correct?
Ralph: Yes.
Charity: Therefore it has molded you into the human being that you need to be to start listening to your Essence. So this is another rule again that the humans have laid down onto the human race stating that you need to listen to your father and your mother. The Creator does not care if you listen to your father and your mother. He does not have a father and a mother. He is The Creator! The Creator, again, is not human. The Creator is energy.
Ralph: Well, again, it's a good rule.
Charity: Of course, it's a good rule.
Ralph: But of course there are children who have no father or mother, who are orphaned, so how could they ever follow that rule?
Charity: They can't.
Ralph: They'd be in violation of it.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: They'd be bad people.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: You can't have that. Anyhow it is a cultural guidance rule, but it isn't anything that The Creator would have put down if he was making all these up Himself.
Charity: Of course.
Monday, June 23, 2008
Sunday, June 22, 2008
Charity's Views on Prayer
In 1995 I had a series of conversations with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. This is one regarding the usefulness of prayer.
Ralph: We are now at 12-15-95 with Charity talking about the TV program "Miracles and the Extraordinary." All right now, these are questions that came to mind. I just want them on record. They talked in this program with one priest, Marianne Williamson, another preacher and a doctor, and they all seemed to agree that there was a power of prayer to help heal people. Now you are laughing already, which indicates that you don’t agree with them. Is that correct?
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: Well, we will drop that subject. Then we go on to why should so many people believe in a power of prayer if something hasn’t been demonstrated by experience?
Charity: The avenue is that you have humans that are in a group that is praying for another human being who is ill, but the avenue is designed for that human being, their charge, to exist or to become well. This will happen no matter what. We have a question for you. What is prayer?
Ralph: Well, I think that is usually defined as a spoken or non spoken thought directed towards a higher power, usually God, asking for some particular intervention in human life.
Charity: First of all, humans don’t need to do that. The Essences already know what needs to happen.
Ralph: Well, our religions have taught us we need to do that.
Charity: So by prayer, it is a request?
Ralph: That is one type of prayer, yes. A prayer may also be a praise and a thank you.
Charity: Why do they call it a prayer instead of a request? What is the difference?
Ralph: A prayer is always devoted to a god. I say "a god" because you can have cultures with many gods.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: It is not to another person that a request would ordinarily be. It is a request in a prayerful way to somebody who doesn’t physically exist.
Charity: A reverent request?
Ralph: Yes, a reverent request, to a non physical being.
Charity: We understand. So it is a request for an interaction of a higher level of existence, as in our realm.
Ralph: Yes.
Charity: Correct?
Ralph: Yes, and the other questions they ask there is "can God refuse to answer a prayer and give a NO answer instead of a YES answer?"
Charity: Well first of all we have again that the Essences know what needs to happen. Just like with knowing what is going to happen with your Life Plan. We had stated to you that you would cease.
Ralph: I would cease? You certainly did that get that message over, yes, I remember that.
Charity: What happened – Michael went in and talked to The Creator. It was deemed that it was not an appropriate time and things would continue on the way it was supposed to continue on. That was an instant where we have now a different time. Correct?
Ralph: So we could say – I remember what happened there in that I didn’t make a prayer to anybody about that.
Charity: No, you asked Michael.
Ralph: It was my attitude was not one of emotions or – it was more a comment that it would seem to be a waste of my efforts and abilities to shorten it, to cease at that point. I think I could be of more use after that, too. I had something more to offer. But I wasn’t asking to be relieved of that problem. I didn’t even think I could ask to be relieved of that problem. It wasn’t anything I felt I had any charge over. If it was going to be, it was going to be.
Charity: But Michael came up to ourselves, and we had a discussion on the matter.
Ralph: So therefore that would –
Charity: Just as you remember.
Ralph: Right, so that would be equivalent to the purpose people might have. So who could say that when there is something that does change what the pattern has been made out to be, that the Essence has done the appeal, shall we say?
Charity: Correct, they can also be denied.
Ralph: With all the factors.
Charity: Just as Becky has been denied.
Ralph: I heard that on the phone once, about a husband, yes.
Charity: Yes.
Ralph: All right so, but we have, actually we have a problem, in our studies of these things, we do all kinds of studies of associations between this event and that event. There are more of these and more of these in the same group at the same time, but everybody jumps to a conclusion that one is causing the other.
Charity: Which it is not.
Ralph: Now it may be causing it in some indirect way through six other connections, but we don’t know that. Or they both can be caused by the same phase of the moon or something external to both of them. But that is a human frailty in logic. Now they made also a great deal of to-do about the faith of the sick person helping them get healed. It was a common comment.
Charity: We don’t understand that.
Ralph: Exactly, I'm sure you don’t understand it because I don’t understand it. Now, does the Creator answer prayers yes or no? Well, we have already said it doesn’t work that way. Except that it can go up through the Essence making an appeal like you mentioned. But we are not aware of that as a conscious prayer that we are saying in public.
Charity: Why do you humans have to make requests? Why is it important to voice a request? Why?
Ralph: Well we do it at the Rotary club every noon, as part of the ritual at every meeting. Basically it is a thank you for having this wonderful food and this lovely place and we appreciate God for having given us this opportunity to be with our friends.
Charity: So that basically is thanking everybody for what has been done, correct?
Ralph: Yes. We are not asking for something with that. We are simply thanking them for having us.
Charity: Why are you humans beings into always having to ask something for themselves?
Ralph: I'm just saying, that’s only one type of prayer, the kind we have in Rotary Clubs is the thank you prayer.
Charity: But most requests are they not, asking for something?
Ralph: If you are sick, you want to get well. So you pray to God to do some miracle to you to get you well. That is the rather human appeal.
Charity: Then you also have the humans who have a request to cease -- to cease to exist, correct?
Ralph: I'm sure some who have a terminal illness and are in pain will do that, yes.
Charity: Becky’s charge, one of the false fronts, used to always do the request that she be taken away from the pain. Then you have "help me deal with this child."
Ralph: Or get us a new husband.
Charity: Or help us lose weight. Let us as a human look better. Let us as a human make more monetary gains.
Ralph: I heard a good one. He was in some kind of difficult jam, where his life was at stake, and he said, "God, if you will get me out of this jam, I will stop smoking." He got out of the jam and he has never smoked again because he was so thankful to God. That is a very common – this is a common type of human behavior.
Charity: Again, why is it that the humans think that the Creator is concerned on the avenues about – the Creator has designed your plan and the plan is for the Essence to be involved first and then to go to move up, as you state, the chain of command.
Ralph: They pay full attention to that one person. Because The Creator has to look after everything.
Charity: The Creator is there, to be the planner and director
Ralph: There is good delegation of authority. To give you the power and authority to do the job. And He has designed that system quite well.
Charity: The Creator does not create chaos.
Ralph: Well, unfortunately we were not aware until recently that you were there available for such direct intervention, so they have all had, we had the two messages, one the shamans had that you go directly up to The Creator, or to your spirit guides or whatever format that tribe and that culture had that were other names for you. Or you could go to the church where they would say, "We have a God we approve or, Yahweh, or Mohammed, or Buddha, or whichever, and if you do these little rituals, he will listen to you. If you don’t do these rituals as prescribed, he won’t pay attention to you." Now that exerts control as to who gets there. Which is always in church. Why would a church exist if they didn’t have control? They would have no purpose in being there if they couldn’t moderate these contacts with God.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: "The reality of this presence is experienced most profoundly through the state of prayer known as contemplation."
[Here Becky, Marie’s ISH, replaces Charity.]
Becky: That is not incorrect. It’s an avenue, it is basically how we operate, which is intuition.
Ralph: Well, I think contemplation is a more neutral term.
Becky: Contemplation is when you are sitting back
Ralph: Being reflective.
Becky: Correct
Ralph: We knew that when we are trying to come up with answers to big problems.
Becky: And did you not state that prayer is basically asking or reflecting inside or asking for something on a higher plane to help you with the problem?
Ralph: I think that depends on how you are trained in it by your church. Obviously some churches lead you to believe you can pray miracles into existence, if all you get together in a prayer circle and heal somebody. We have heard about those, right?
Becky: Of course, many times.
Ralph: And then you have others, like Thanksgiving Dinner, when we are praying to thank God for having us still alive at Thanksgiving, which is what the Pilgrims were doing that day. So that’s a little more neutral, but sure we have been taught that we can appeal to ask for something that is not likely to occur.
Becky: Correct.
Ralph: We are now at 12-15-95 with Charity talking about the TV program "Miracles and the Extraordinary." All right now, these are questions that came to mind. I just want them on record. They talked in this program with one priest, Marianne Williamson, another preacher and a doctor, and they all seemed to agree that there was a power of prayer to help heal people. Now you are laughing already, which indicates that you don’t agree with them. Is that correct?
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: Well, we will drop that subject. Then we go on to why should so many people believe in a power of prayer if something hasn’t been demonstrated by experience?
Charity: The avenue is that you have humans that are in a group that is praying for another human being who is ill, but the avenue is designed for that human being, their charge, to exist or to become well. This will happen no matter what. We have a question for you. What is prayer?
Ralph: Well, I think that is usually defined as a spoken or non spoken thought directed towards a higher power, usually God, asking for some particular intervention in human life.
Charity: First of all, humans don’t need to do that. The Essences already know what needs to happen.
Ralph: Well, our religions have taught us we need to do that.
Charity: So by prayer, it is a request?
Ralph: That is one type of prayer, yes. A prayer may also be a praise and a thank you.
Charity: Why do they call it a prayer instead of a request? What is the difference?
Ralph: A prayer is always devoted to a god. I say "a god" because you can have cultures with many gods.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: It is not to another person that a request would ordinarily be. It is a request in a prayerful way to somebody who doesn’t physically exist.
Charity: A reverent request?
Ralph: Yes, a reverent request, to a non physical being.
Charity: We understand. So it is a request for an interaction of a higher level of existence, as in our realm.
Ralph: Yes.
Charity: Correct?
Ralph: Yes, and the other questions they ask there is "can God refuse to answer a prayer and give a NO answer instead of a YES answer?"
Charity: Well first of all we have again that the Essences know what needs to happen. Just like with knowing what is going to happen with your Life Plan. We had stated to you that you would cease.
Ralph: I would cease? You certainly did that get that message over, yes, I remember that.
Charity: What happened – Michael went in and talked to The Creator. It was deemed that it was not an appropriate time and things would continue on the way it was supposed to continue on. That was an instant where we have now a different time. Correct?
Ralph: So we could say – I remember what happened there in that I didn’t make a prayer to anybody about that.
Charity: No, you asked Michael.
Ralph: It was my attitude was not one of emotions or – it was more a comment that it would seem to be a waste of my efforts and abilities to shorten it, to cease at that point. I think I could be of more use after that, too. I had something more to offer. But I wasn’t asking to be relieved of that problem. I didn’t even think I could ask to be relieved of that problem. It wasn’t anything I felt I had any charge over. If it was going to be, it was going to be.
Charity: But Michael came up to ourselves, and we had a discussion on the matter.
Ralph: So therefore that would –
Charity: Just as you remember.
Ralph: Right, so that would be equivalent to the purpose people might have. So who could say that when there is something that does change what the pattern has been made out to be, that the Essence has done the appeal, shall we say?
Charity: Correct, they can also be denied.
Ralph: With all the factors.
Charity: Just as Becky has been denied.
Ralph: I heard that on the phone once, about a husband, yes.
Charity: Yes.
Ralph: All right so, but we have, actually we have a problem, in our studies of these things, we do all kinds of studies of associations between this event and that event. There are more of these and more of these in the same group at the same time, but everybody jumps to a conclusion that one is causing the other.
Charity: Which it is not.
Ralph: Now it may be causing it in some indirect way through six other connections, but we don’t know that. Or they both can be caused by the same phase of the moon or something external to both of them. But that is a human frailty in logic. Now they made also a great deal of to-do about the faith of the sick person helping them get healed. It was a common comment.
Charity: We don’t understand that.
Ralph: Exactly, I'm sure you don’t understand it because I don’t understand it. Now, does the Creator answer prayers yes or no? Well, we have already said it doesn’t work that way. Except that it can go up through the Essence making an appeal like you mentioned. But we are not aware of that as a conscious prayer that we are saying in public.
Charity: Why do you humans have to make requests? Why is it important to voice a request? Why?
Ralph: Well we do it at the Rotary club every noon, as part of the ritual at every meeting. Basically it is a thank you for having this wonderful food and this lovely place and we appreciate God for having given us this opportunity to be with our friends.
Charity: So that basically is thanking everybody for what has been done, correct?
Ralph: Yes. We are not asking for something with that. We are simply thanking them for having us.
Charity: Why are you humans beings into always having to ask something for themselves?
Ralph: I'm just saying, that’s only one type of prayer, the kind we have in Rotary Clubs is the thank you prayer.
Charity: But most requests are they not, asking for something?
Ralph: If you are sick, you want to get well. So you pray to God to do some miracle to you to get you well. That is the rather human appeal.
Charity: Then you also have the humans who have a request to cease -- to cease to exist, correct?
Ralph: I'm sure some who have a terminal illness and are in pain will do that, yes.
Charity: Becky’s charge, one of the false fronts, used to always do the request that she be taken away from the pain. Then you have "help me deal with this child."
Ralph: Or get us a new husband.
Charity: Or help us lose weight. Let us as a human look better. Let us as a human make more monetary gains.
Ralph: I heard a good one. He was in some kind of difficult jam, where his life was at stake, and he said, "God, if you will get me out of this jam, I will stop smoking." He got out of the jam and he has never smoked again because he was so thankful to God. That is a very common – this is a common type of human behavior.
Charity: Again, why is it that the humans think that the Creator is concerned on the avenues about – the Creator has designed your plan and the plan is for the Essence to be involved first and then to go to move up, as you state, the chain of command.
Ralph: They pay full attention to that one person. Because The Creator has to look after everything.
Charity: The Creator is there, to be the planner and director
Ralph: There is good delegation of authority. To give you the power and authority to do the job. And He has designed that system quite well.
Charity: The Creator does not create chaos.
Ralph: Well, unfortunately we were not aware until recently that you were there available for such direct intervention, so they have all had, we had the two messages, one the shamans had that you go directly up to The Creator, or to your spirit guides or whatever format that tribe and that culture had that were other names for you. Or you could go to the church where they would say, "We have a God we approve or, Yahweh, or Mohammed, or Buddha, or whichever, and if you do these little rituals, he will listen to you. If you don’t do these rituals as prescribed, he won’t pay attention to you." Now that exerts control as to who gets there. Which is always in church. Why would a church exist if they didn’t have control? They would have no purpose in being there if they couldn’t moderate these contacts with God.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: "The reality of this presence is experienced most profoundly through the state of prayer known as contemplation."
[Here Becky, Marie’s ISH, replaces Charity.]
Becky: That is not incorrect. It’s an avenue, it is basically how we operate, which is intuition.
Ralph: Well, I think contemplation is a more neutral term.
Becky: Contemplation is when you are sitting back
Ralph: Being reflective.
Becky: Correct
Ralph: We knew that when we are trying to come up with answers to big problems.
Becky: And did you not state that prayer is basically asking or reflecting inside or asking for something on a higher plane to help you with the problem?
Ralph: I think that depends on how you are trained in it by your church. Obviously some churches lead you to believe you can pray miracles into existence, if all you get together in a prayer circle and heal somebody. We have heard about those, right?
Becky: Of course, many times.
Ralph: And then you have others, like Thanksgiving Dinner, when we are praying to thank God for having us still alive at Thanksgiving, which is what the Pilgrims were doing that day. So that’s a little more neutral, but sure we have been taught that we can appeal to ask for something that is not likely to occur.
Becky: Correct.
Charity's Views on Population Control
In my conversations with Charity, a Spiritual Professor CIE and my mentor, in 1995, we discussed how our Earth’s population could be contained within reasonable boundaries if everyone followed their Life Plans. That would mean they did not live more lifetimes than they absolutely needed, so they would not waste the world’s resources during those extra lifetimes.
Charity: The population of the universe, of your globe, at this time has reached the maximum it needs to reach. We need to, as you would quote, you used a term that was very interesting, "recycle." We need to keep recycling. Humans have chosen to make your live plans longer than what is necessary. We would like to see you be able to cut down to a hundred lifetimes before your life is completed. When you have learned your Master Life Plan, you can go on. Right now it is stretching – an average life span of about 1000 to 1500 years in you life terms. Enough is enough.
Ralph: Just looking at it statistically, if one Essence lived one-third less lifetimes on earth, which would be appropriate if they learned faster, then they would be saving on one-third of the pollution, and filling up of space of the world without any loss of life quality, or loss of resources. They don't need that other one-third if they would go through, instead of 5,000, they got through in 3,000 lifetimes.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: And we could save another 2,000 people having to fill up buildings that we would have to build more and have to fell more trees.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: So that would be a great and harmless improvement in the problem of excessive birthrate, which we now need to populate for those Essences.
Charity: What is happening is that you have the increased births in humans, but it is now turning in as one part of your hemisphere could only have all girls, mostly, and another part of your atmosphere, your hemisphere, has all boys. It's going to make it very difficult for that hemisphere to keep reproducing to what we need. And also with the other hemisphere. It's becoming lopsided. Enough is enough. Let's bring back the knowledge that you humans need to grow and mature spiritually along with your intellectual aspects and qualities. But you have to realize that each one has to take care of each. You are not separate and alone on your own "plot of land." It's an inconsistent ideology. It needs to be stopped. Man has been the tool to have your globe be what it is. But with too many existent human bodies on to it, parts of the globe are becoming destroyed or invaded. That is why the design of it now is to let humans know that they are not alone. That there is a design, that there is a plan, and how they fit into that plan. And by understanding how they fit into that plan, is to understand how we operate.
Ralph: Just one question, having these more mature Emotional Selves growing and becoming Essences, are we still going to be fragmenting off new ones that will be very junior, immature, or are we going to work with the rest of the ones we have now?
Charity: You will have Essences being – you will have fragments breaking off, but it will not be the part where they have to start as newborn or baby Essences. That will not happen. You will have – the human population will be at a steady rate for the maturity-wise. They will be at that rate for as long as The Creator has deemed for it to happen.
Charity: The population of the universe, of your globe, at this time has reached the maximum it needs to reach. We need to, as you would quote, you used a term that was very interesting, "recycle." We need to keep recycling. Humans have chosen to make your live plans longer than what is necessary. We would like to see you be able to cut down to a hundred lifetimes before your life is completed. When you have learned your Master Life Plan, you can go on. Right now it is stretching – an average life span of about 1000 to 1500 years in you life terms. Enough is enough.
Ralph: Just looking at it statistically, if one Essence lived one-third less lifetimes on earth, which would be appropriate if they learned faster, then they would be saving on one-third of the pollution, and filling up of space of the world without any loss of life quality, or loss of resources. They don't need that other one-third if they would go through, instead of 5,000, they got through in 3,000 lifetimes.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: And we could save another 2,000 people having to fill up buildings that we would have to build more and have to fell more trees.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: So that would be a great and harmless improvement in the problem of excessive birthrate, which we now need to populate for those Essences.
Charity: What is happening is that you have the increased births in humans, but it is now turning in as one part of your hemisphere could only have all girls, mostly, and another part of your atmosphere, your hemisphere, has all boys. It's going to make it very difficult for that hemisphere to keep reproducing to what we need. And also with the other hemisphere. It's becoming lopsided. Enough is enough. Let's bring back the knowledge that you humans need to grow and mature spiritually along with your intellectual aspects and qualities. But you have to realize that each one has to take care of each. You are not separate and alone on your own "plot of land." It's an inconsistent ideology. It needs to be stopped. Man has been the tool to have your globe be what it is. But with too many existent human bodies on to it, parts of the globe are becoming destroyed or invaded. That is why the design of it now is to let humans know that they are not alone. That there is a design, that there is a plan, and how they fit into that plan. And by understanding how they fit into that plan, is to understand how we operate.
Ralph: Just one question, having these more mature Emotional Selves growing and becoming Essences, are we still going to be fragmenting off new ones that will be very junior, immature, or are we going to work with the rest of the ones we have now?
Charity: You will have Essences being – you will have fragments breaking off, but it will not be the part where they have to start as newborn or baby Essences. That will not happen. You will have – the human population will be at a steady rate for the maturity-wise. They will be at that rate for as long as The Creator has deemed for it to happen.
Charity's Views on Manipulation of Humans by the CIE
During 1995, I had many discussions with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. During one of them we discussed how she is so good at manipulating me to do what she wants me to do. Here is a transcription of that conversation.
Ralph: You may use something exciting for the purpose of teaching humans.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: But you don’t need it just for the purpose of entertaining yourself.
Charity: No.
Ralph: That is a human characteristic, to entertain yourself.
Charity: We don’t need entertainment. We are most busy with our humans. You could state that humans might call it puppet masters? We pull strings.
Ralph: Puppeteers.
Charity: Pull strings.
Ralph: Puppeteers is the terms, those who manage puppets.
Charity: Manipulators.
Ralph: Yes.
Charity: We do not manipulate, we –
Ralph: Well, having been a subject of this manipulation, no, it is not done with a force that moves the human. It is done by taking advantage of the tools that are within the human, like sitting in and driving a car. You know where the key goes so you stick the key in there, and you know if you turn the key, then the motor will start. You know which pedals will work to get the car going backwards and forwards. So you use those pedals. You are not manipulating the car; you are using the tools that are built into it. So you know what pushes me, what issues I've got. You know where you can push and pull. So, in that way you are simply using your extensive knowledge of our inner mechanisms. You know if you push this, and this, he will get over there.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: He has to get over there when these things are operating.
Charity: And now you have learned to just go with the flow.
Ralph: Now all I need is the mental urge and I need a shortcut. I’m not wasting anymore time with this, you know. I know you are going to win this little struggle anyhow if I want to fight with you.
Charity: Once this had happened and you knew you could write, and you could, and you knew that you were not going to do it by yourself, then you knew that we were still here, then you felt most comfortable. Then the next item was for yourself to contact Michael instead of acting, but to practice and to know. Once you have done that, the next step for yourself was for you to recognize what your mate was like – what your boundaries were – what your existence was about. That was about the conversations with Hope about your union with your mate. That was a steady manipulation on our part. To have you understand what was going on, but to only give you enough that you could digest safely without a complete overload, as that was most important. With all that avenue, then our next realm was to get Becky’s charge moving. Once we got her in the spot she needed to be and moved, and everyone else, all the other humans that were ready, which was Michael, Cathy, Skip, and Dan. Gene were ready; we had already maneuvered them to where they needed to be. But yours was the most difficult manipulation we had to move. We had to get you away from the institution, which was very important. That was easy compared to the difficulty that you had regarding always finding the appropriate time when your mate was in a decent, calm frame of mind to be able to discuss any matter. But your mate was never there. And with yourself constantly in fear, we had to feed the information through her for you to hear, for you then to act.
Ralph: And you understand, in my family, breaking up a marriage is not a common easy thing to do, a major default.
Charity: And the reason that you did not receive the award last year was that we had to use it for this year.
Ralph: Well, I still wonder how that happened.
Charity: You will never know.
Ralph: Why should I never know? They all know.
Charity: We will never let you know. By using the award this time as a catalyst to make you move, was what we needed. If you did not have that, you would not have left, and everything would have begun to disintegrate. And we were not going to let that happen.
Ralph: My question is, now that it has been done, why can’t I know the history? It won’t reverse the history.
Charity: You will not know. It is not important.
Ralph: I agree it is not important, but it sure is interesting to know.
Charity: It is not important, therefore you will not know.
Ralph: I don’t want to blame people if they didn’t have anything to do with it, OK?
Charity: You aren’t living by the principles.
Ralph: I can’t blame anybody. I don’t know what happened.
Charity: That’s correct, you will not.
Ralph: If you maneuvered it, they didn’t know what was going on anyhow.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: They just blurted out something and "Did I say that?" I imagine that’s the kind of thing that happens.
Charity: Well, on the avenue of making you move, that was the catalyst that we needed. Once the catalyst happened, you were able to go. Once you went, you realized you had friends around yourself. You had Gene then who helped move you. He did not need to help you. Everything was in place to bring you up to this point.
Ralph: Any other tidbits that I don’t understand?
Charity: Any other questions?
Ralph: Any other people that were involved?
Charity: You will find them, you will see them.
Ralph: You may use something exciting for the purpose of teaching humans.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: But you don’t need it just for the purpose of entertaining yourself.
Charity: No.
Ralph: That is a human characteristic, to entertain yourself.
Charity: We don’t need entertainment. We are most busy with our humans. You could state that humans might call it puppet masters? We pull strings.
Ralph: Puppeteers.
Charity: Pull strings.
Ralph: Puppeteers is the terms, those who manage puppets.
Charity: Manipulators.
Ralph: Yes.
Charity: We do not manipulate, we –
Ralph: Well, having been a subject of this manipulation, no, it is not done with a force that moves the human. It is done by taking advantage of the tools that are within the human, like sitting in and driving a car. You know where the key goes so you stick the key in there, and you know if you turn the key, then the motor will start. You know which pedals will work to get the car going backwards and forwards. So you use those pedals. You are not manipulating the car; you are using the tools that are built into it. So you know what pushes me, what issues I've got. You know where you can push and pull. So, in that way you are simply using your extensive knowledge of our inner mechanisms. You know if you push this, and this, he will get over there.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: He has to get over there when these things are operating.
Charity: And now you have learned to just go with the flow.
Ralph: Now all I need is the mental urge and I need a shortcut. I’m not wasting anymore time with this, you know. I know you are going to win this little struggle anyhow if I want to fight with you.
Charity: Once this had happened and you knew you could write, and you could, and you knew that you were not going to do it by yourself, then you knew that we were still here, then you felt most comfortable. Then the next item was for yourself to contact Michael instead of acting, but to practice and to know. Once you have done that, the next step for yourself was for you to recognize what your mate was like – what your boundaries were – what your existence was about. That was about the conversations with Hope about your union with your mate. That was a steady manipulation on our part. To have you understand what was going on, but to only give you enough that you could digest safely without a complete overload, as that was most important. With all that avenue, then our next realm was to get Becky’s charge moving. Once we got her in the spot she needed to be and moved, and everyone else, all the other humans that were ready, which was Michael, Cathy, Skip, and Dan. Gene were ready; we had already maneuvered them to where they needed to be. But yours was the most difficult manipulation we had to move. We had to get you away from the institution, which was very important. That was easy compared to the difficulty that you had regarding always finding the appropriate time when your mate was in a decent, calm frame of mind to be able to discuss any matter. But your mate was never there. And with yourself constantly in fear, we had to feed the information through her for you to hear, for you then to act.
Ralph: And you understand, in my family, breaking up a marriage is not a common easy thing to do, a major default.
Charity: And the reason that you did not receive the award last year was that we had to use it for this year.
Ralph: Well, I still wonder how that happened.
Charity: You will never know.
Ralph: Why should I never know? They all know.
Charity: We will never let you know. By using the award this time as a catalyst to make you move, was what we needed. If you did not have that, you would not have left, and everything would have begun to disintegrate. And we were not going to let that happen.
Ralph: My question is, now that it has been done, why can’t I know the history? It won’t reverse the history.
Charity: You will not know. It is not important.
Ralph: I agree it is not important, but it sure is interesting to know.
Charity: It is not important, therefore you will not know.
Ralph: I don’t want to blame people if they didn’t have anything to do with it, OK?
Charity: You aren’t living by the principles.
Ralph: I can’t blame anybody. I don’t know what happened.
Charity: That’s correct, you will not.
Ralph: If you maneuvered it, they didn’t know what was going on anyhow.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: They just blurted out something and "Did I say that?" I imagine that’s the kind of thing that happens.
Charity: Well, on the avenue of making you move, that was the catalyst that we needed. Once the catalyst happened, you were able to go. Once you went, you realized you had friends around yourself. You had Gene then who helped move you. He did not need to help you. Everything was in place to bring you up to this point.
Ralph: Any other tidbits that I don’t understand?
Charity: Any other questions?
Ralph: Any other people that were involved?
Charity: You will find them, you will see them.
Charity's Views on Lying
During 1995, I had many conversations with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. Among them were talks about the Ten Commandments. Here is one exchange we had regrading the commandment, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” [Exodus 20:16]
Ralph: So let's go to the next one. "Do not steal" We've already covered that. You don't have objects up there to own, so again you have no concern about stealing. Here again this is a social rule that is better if they do follow it, but their Essences will be there and if you have turned Essences, they are going to steal. Alright, here is another one we didn't cover. "Do not accuse anyone falsely."
Charity: Is that not lying?
Ralph: Basically, it would be like in a court action, in a trial, like when Danny went to court for his molestation charges. The witnesses against him should always tell the truth.
Charity: Well, that is an avenue that we most definitely work to help the humans to always do. That's the Essence that is involved in that avenue.
Ralph: Well, this one is the reverse of telling the truth. Basically, don't go and make accusations that are false about somebody to try to get them into trouble. Which is a good social rule.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: Whether or not it is something The Creator would have laid down is another issue.
Charity: As we have said, The Creator created the human population. The Creator is not going to lay down these rules of conduct to the human population. All these are done by the human population to control the population.
Ralph: So let's go to the next one. "Do not steal" We've already covered that. You don't have objects up there to own, so again you have no concern about stealing. Here again this is a social rule that is better if they do follow it, but their Essences will be there and if you have turned Essences, they are going to steal. Alright, here is another one we didn't cover. "Do not accuse anyone falsely."
Charity: Is that not lying?
Ralph: Basically, it would be like in a court action, in a trial, like when Danny went to court for his molestation charges. The witnesses against him should always tell the truth.
Charity: Well, that is an avenue that we most definitely work to help the humans to always do. That's the Essence that is involved in that avenue.
Ralph: Well, this one is the reverse of telling the truth. Basically, don't go and make accusations that are false about somebody to try to get them into trouble. Which is a good social rule.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: Whether or not it is something The Creator would have laid down is another issue.
Charity: As we have said, The Creator created the human population. The Creator is not going to lay down these rules of conduct to the human population. All these are done by the human population to control the population.
Saturday, June 21, 2008
Faith's Views on Light & Energy
During my discussions with the CIE in 1995, I had one with Faith, a Spiritual Guardian CIE, about the various types of energy they are and work with. This is a transcription of our conversation about light and energy.
Ralph: Faith is here to explain how she is different in energy operations – it's something we try to use physical words for a non-physical experience, and that's very difficult.
Faith: First of all, we have to remember the CIE are energy, pure and simple. The Essences are not. The Essences have had physical bodies. They have lived and reacted with other human beings, which we have not. So our energy level is mostly constant. In fact, it is constant. But the process of making it constant is that the humans we have been in contact with or that we talk to who are involved with our Essences that we are in charge with, if we come into contact with too many of the turned Essences, then we have to shift some of our energy focus unto them. Just like, as Becky was explaining it to you, regarding the energy level situation, I can feed as much energy as she could possibly want to keep her at a certain level.
Ralph: Now let me just try to understand the terms again. I'm having to be careful with the English language, because it is based on physical concepts and we are using physically defined words -
Faith: Wait a minute, I think we know what you are going to say. OK, if you want to define what Becky's energy would be like, it would be like this leaf. That would be Becky's energy level. Our energy level would be those four trees in a line, with all those leaves.
Ralph: Let me back up, it's not exactly what I meant. I'm well aware that just the term energy is not adequate for this because there are at least two kinds of energy, I'm taking this from physics, and light, and what I read recently on the physics of light, and this is why I want to make sure we are using the right terms by a certain definition.
Faith: OK, alright.
Ralph: In physics, energy is never destroyable.
Faith: Correct
Ralph: It is only convertible into another form. Now, if I am to pick this stick up, I use energy to pick this up off the ground, because gravity is a type of energy that is pulling it toward the ground. If I drop it, energy is going to apply to it and be called gravity. There is an attraction between all objects. There is an attraction between the object called Earth and this twig.
Faith: Right.
Ralph: And the reason why this body stands on this earth instead of floating around is because gravity is the attracting force, energy between this small body and this big body called the Earth. Alright, now that kind of energy is considered to be constant, as far as the total supply is concerned, but my muscular energy could be transformed into gravity energy by dropping the twig. Now, in that book on light, it is quite clear that the energy that you are talking about in mental operations and in Thoughtspace is not the same as the energy that I have to use to pick up the twig or to walk my body around the streets. That is why I say, that is convertible and Einstein made the formula of conversion between mass and energy. Now, that, we are talking about again energy in the Thoughtspace realm, I will have to make an assumption as a question. Can it be transformed into anything else?
Faith: What are you stating by conversion into something else?
Ralph: This twig itself can be burned with a match, and that will transform the energy holding the molecules together; they will be freed, and, by the heat applied to it, we transform that into heat energy and light energy.
Faith: Right.
Ralph: Now, we understand that in physics, and that is all part of the way the physical world is put together. Now I hesitate to use that concept of energy in talking about you in Thoughtspace. That's my problem. As I suspect it does not operate the same way.
Faith: No. It does not.
Ralph: And I might need to have some –
Faith: The terms you would understand would be the energy you were talking about, but that's not our energy.
Ralph: So it's an energy of a different quality.
Faith: Totally.
Ralph: That's where I get confused about declining energy or increasing energy because the energy of the physical world is only transferable. It's not declinable. The total volume is static, and they have done studies all over the universe showing that which we have has been here all the time and has been converted to different shapes and sizes.
Faith: Thoughtspace is not that avenue.
Ralph: That's what I'm saying, trying to put it into words to describe it creates a problem to me.
Faith: Your energy is converted energy and nonconverted energy – place those two together and that is our energy. Plus more. But there is not a term or a phrase that there is in your language that can explain that situation to you.
Ralph: I'm aware of that, that's why I'm mentioning this that I don't want people to misunderstand when we use the word energy. The energy that we are converting is not in your area.
Faith: No. Energy in Thoughtspace is totally different than the energy level in the physical realm. That's why we are trying to give a “for instance” of the way the energy is. Becky would be a leaf. I myself would be four trees with all their leaves together. Hope would be twice as many. And Charity would take them all.
Ralph: The whole forest.
Faith: Right. And lots more.
Ralph: I'm just saying that –
Faith: By myself feeding that one leaf with my four trees with all of their leaves, would be depleting my reserves that I have. Especially when I am feeding it to one Essence.
Ralph: When you have 150 to look after and all of them have troubles.
Faith: That's right. By those four trees, I'm going to wear very thin on leaves. So by wearing very thin on my leaves, I must call on Hope for help, "We need to do something about replenishing my trees, here. I'm running very, very low. How about replenishing?" Hope will say, "No problem, let's get everything under control and you guys come up here for a while. We will send somebody else down there that's got a little bit more trees than you do that doesn't need as many leaves right now, and they can take over for you." We say, "That's fine," and we go away. When we come back, my four trees are back, my leaves are back on the branches and I'm ready to start again.
Ralph: It's like in a bank, you build up your account with a transfusion of money from the central bank in Philadelphia or somewhere.
Faith: Right
Ralph: We are doing that all the time.
Faith: What I am stating on human terms it's about the best I can describe it.
Ralph: The question I have then in that energy, is there a fixed amount that is in the universe, like we say a fixed amount of physical energy is on this globe?
Faith: A fixed amount of energy – No. It is not a fixed amount. Ours is a never ending.
Ralph: So that gets into the infinite capacity of the whole space.
Faith: If you can describe the infinite capacity.
Ralph: So you are never going to run out, no matter what we do down here.
Faith: No.
Ralph: That's nice to know.,
Faith: But the only avenue of what, for ourselves, for why we had been stripped of our leaves so fast was because of the avenue of the way Becky needed our help. That's why if we remember correctly there were two or three times when we said we had to disappear for a while. But once we disappeared and came back, everything was just fine. It's just a matter of the extreme emergencies that we had to deal with.
Ralph: Now the emergencies were caused by the human emotions.
Faith: Correct.
Ralph: And the use of Free Will by the False Front and all the personalities.
Faith: And by the other therapists and the other individuals that were involved and were becoming involved with whole process of getting Becky's charge back to way it was. And the reason why it was so important was that Becky's charge is to do what she is doing now, to bring you back into the path you need to be. That's why it was so important that our energy level was going down because it was important that it happened at a certain point in time and that it would come back to now.
Ralph: You had a very good reason to put out all the work, because the goal necessary to hold her together. Because I have to have her vocal cords. If I don't have your vocal cords, I'm not recording anything.
Faith: That's correct, you aren't.
Ralph: Then I wouldn't have anything to type.
Faith: That's correct. Then you would feel very comfortable and wouldn't have to worry about any fights, correct?
Ralph: I don't think it would change a bit in that subject, but it would be nice to think it would, but it wouldn't, so I might as well go ahead and write.
Faith: Right.
Ralph: I'd get the fights anyhow.
Faith: No matter what.
Ralph: I should get some rewards after all this time.
Faith: That's correct.
Ralph: Alright, we are talking, you can't measure the energies in Thoughtspace, we are talking about the light of the universe, the light of wisdom, that kind of light, people see a light at the end of the tunnel, in OOBE there is a light. Those kind of lights are not shining from the sun with physical photons. And therefore you couldn't use the rules of physics that measure photons
Faith: Because there are not rules.
Ralph: Because it isn't the same.
Faith: It's not measurable.
Ralph: There are no tools to measure it.
Faith: No. Just as Charity told you, there are not tools to measure it. Just as there are no rules in our realm.
Ralph: That's a problem, in physical space, the only way you know something is there is to have a tool to measure it.
Faith: Correct
Ralph: Like I have an eye to see this, I have a hand to touch this and these are my physical tools and I can take a measuring device and all that.
Faith: You can't measure a thought.
Ralph: I can't measure any of you people. Therefore, people say, "You obviously don't exist if we can't measure you."
Faith: You could take your calibers in the air and describe one of ourselves.
Ralph: But that would only be hoping I would get a bit of air between them and you are not in the air.
Faith: No.
Ralph: Faith is here to explain how she is different in energy operations – it's something we try to use physical words for a non-physical experience, and that's very difficult.
Faith: First of all, we have to remember the CIE are energy, pure and simple. The Essences are not. The Essences have had physical bodies. They have lived and reacted with other human beings, which we have not. So our energy level is mostly constant. In fact, it is constant. But the process of making it constant is that the humans we have been in contact with or that we talk to who are involved with our Essences that we are in charge with, if we come into contact with too many of the turned Essences, then we have to shift some of our energy focus unto them. Just like, as Becky was explaining it to you, regarding the energy level situation, I can feed as much energy as she could possibly want to keep her at a certain level.
Ralph: Now let me just try to understand the terms again. I'm having to be careful with the English language, because it is based on physical concepts and we are using physically defined words -
Faith: Wait a minute, I think we know what you are going to say. OK, if you want to define what Becky's energy would be like, it would be like this leaf. That would be Becky's energy level. Our energy level would be those four trees in a line, with all those leaves.
Ralph: Let me back up, it's not exactly what I meant. I'm well aware that just the term energy is not adequate for this because there are at least two kinds of energy, I'm taking this from physics, and light, and what I read recently on the physics of light, and this is why I want to make sure we are using the right terms by a certain definition.
Faith: OK, alright.
Ralph: In physics, energy is never destroyable.
Faith: Correct
Ralph: It is only convertible into another form. Now, if I am to pick this stick up, I use energy to pick this up off the ground, because gravity is a type of energy that is pulling it toward the ground. If I drop it, energy is going to apply to it and be called gravity. There is an attraction between all objects. There is an attraction between the object called Earth and this twig.
Faith: Right.
Ralph: And the reason why this body stands on this earth instead of floating around is because gravity is the attracting force, energy between this small body and this big body called the Earth. Alright, now that kind of energy is considered to be constant, as far as the total supply is concerned, but my muscular energy could be transformed into gravity energy by dropping the twig. Now, in that book on light, it is quite clear that the energy that you are talking about in mental operations and in Thoughtspace is not the same as the energy that I have to use to pick up the twig or to walk my body around the streets. That is why I say, that is convertible and Einstein made the formula of conversion between mass and energy. Now, that, we are talking about again energy in the Thoughtspace realm, I will have to make an assumption as a question. Can it be transformed into anything else?
Faith: What are you stating by conversion into something else?
Ralph: This twig itself can be burned with a match, and that will transform the energy holding the molecules together; they will be freed, and, by the heat applied to it, we transform that into heat energy and light energy.
Faith: Right.
Ralph: Now, we understand that in physics, and that is all part of the way the physical world is put together. Now I hesitate to use that concept of energy in talking about you in Thoughtspace. That's my problem. As I suspect it does not operate the same way.
Faith: No. It does not.
Ralph: And I might need to have some –
Faith: The terms you would understand would be the energy you were talking about, but that's not our energy.
Ralph: So it's an energy of a different quality.
Faith: Totally.
Ralph: That's where I get confused about declining energy or increasing energy because the energy of the physical world is only transferable. It's not declinable. The total volume is static, and they have done studies all over the universe showing that which we have has been here all the time and has been converted to different shapes and sizes.
Faith: Thoughtspace is not that avenue.
Ralph: That's what I'm saying, trying to put it into words to describe it creates a problem to me.
Faith: Your energy is converted energy and nonconverted energy – place those two together and that is our energy. Plus more. But there is not a term or a phrase that there is in your language that can explain that situation to you.
Ralph: I'm aware of that, that's why I'm mentioning this that I don't want people to misunderstand when we use the word energy. The energy that we are converting is not in your area.
Faith: No. Energy in Thoughtspace is totally different than the energy level in the physical realm. That's why we are trying to give a “for instance” of the way the energy is. Becky would be a leaf. I myself would be four trees with all their leaves together. Hope would be twice as many. And Charity would take them all.
Ralph: The whole forest.
Faith: Right. And lots more.
Ralph: I'm just saying that –
Faith: By myself feeding that one leaf with my four trees with all of their leaves, would be depleting my reserves that I have. Especially when I am feeding it to one Essence.
Ralph: When you have 150 to look after and all of them have troubles.
Faith: That's right. By those four trees, I'm going to wear very thin on leaves. So by wearing very thin on my leaves, I must call on Hope for help, "We need to do something about replenishing my trees, here. I'm running very, very low. How about replenishing?" Hope will say, "No problem, let's get everything under control and you guys come up here for a while. We will send somebody else down there that's got a little bit more trees than you do that doesn't need as many leaves right now, and they can take over for you." We say, "That's fine," and we go away. When we come back, my four trees are back, my leaves are back on the branches and I'm ready to start again.
Ralph: It's like in a bank, you build up your account with a transfusion of money from the central bank in Philadelphia or somewhere.
Faith: Right
Ralph: We are doing that all the time.
Faith: What I am stating on human terms it's about the best I can describe it.
Ralph: The question I have then in that energy, is there a fixed amount that is in the universe, like we say a fixed amount of physical energy is on this globe?
Faith: A fixed amount of energy – No. It is not a fixed amount. Ours is a never ending.
Ralph: So that gets into the infinite capacity of the whole space.
Faith: If you can describe the infinite capacity.
Ralph: So you are never going to run out, no matter what we do down here.
Faith: No.
Ralph: That's nice to know.,
Faith: But the only avenue of what, for ourselves, for why we had been stripped of our leaves so fast was because of the avenue of the way Becky needed our help. That's why if we remember correctly there were two or three times when we said we had to disappear for a while. But once we disappeared and came back, everything was just fine. It's just a matter of the extreme emergencies that we had to deal with.
Ralph: Now the emergencies were caused by the human emotions.
Faith: Correct.
Ralph: And the use of Free Will by the False Front and all the personalities.
Faith: And by the other therapists and the other individuals that were involved and were becoming involved with whole process of getting Becky's charge back to way it was. And the reason why it was so important was that Becky's charge is to do what she is doing now, to bring you back into the path you need to be. That's why it was so important that our energy level was going down because it was important that it happened at a certain point in time and that it would come back to now.
Ralph: You had a very good reason to put out all the work, because the goal necessary to hold her together. Because I have to have her vocal cords. If I don't have your vocal cords, I'm not recording anything.
Faith: That's correct, you aren't.
Ralph: Then I wouldn't have anything to type.
Faith: That's correct. Then you would feel very comfortable and wouldn't have to worry about any fights, correct?
Ralph: I don't think it would change a bit in that subject, but it would be nice to think it would, but it wouldn't, so I might as well go ahead and write.
Faith: Right.
Ralph: I'd get the fights anyhow.
Faith: No matter what.
Ralph: I should get some rewards after all this time.
Faith: That's correct.
Ralph: Alright, we are talking, you can't measure the energies in Thoughtspace, we are talking about the light of the universe, the light of wisdom, that kind of light, people see a light at the end of the tunnel, in OOBE there is a light. Those kind of lights are not shining from the sun with physical photons. And therefore you couldn't use the rules of physics that measure photons
Faith: Because there are not rules.
Ralph: Because it isn't the same.
Faith: It's not measurable.
Ralph: There are no tools to measure it.
Faith: No. Just as Charity told you, there are not tools to measure it. Just as there are no rules in our realm.
Ralph: That's a problem, in physical space, the only way you know something is there is to have a tool to measure it.
Faith: Correct
Ralph: Like I have an eye to see this, I have a hand to touch this and these are my physical tools and I can take a measuring device and all that.
Faith: You can't measure a thought.
Ralph: I can't measure any of you people. Therefore, people say, "You obviously don't exist if we can't measure you."
Faith: You could take your calibers in the air and describe one of ourselves.
Ralph: But that would only be hoping I would get a bit of air between them and you are not in the air.
Faith: No.
Charity's Views on Leaders
During my conversations in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we discussed how our political leaders are chosen. We have a belief that in a democracy leaders should be chosen by the voters whom those people would lead. Charity disputes this idea, saying that the Spiritual Guardians of the potential leaders know whose Life Plans include their being leaders. Therefore, those who have Life Plans including holding high leadership positions in government need not be elected. I have to admit that she didn’t explain just how those individuals would be certified as the right ones for those positions. But here is our discussion on how to get leaders of our governments.
Charity: Why would you want to pass something [a law] that can't correct a social behavior when your family has instilled what social behavior you need for that culture which you are born into – that the Guardian has selected for you? Why?
Ralph: I don't know. Why do we elect these people to office? Some of them are you’ve got to be kidding.
Charity: Do you vote for them, is that not the term?
Ralph: The ones I vote for don't always get there. I wonder about the people that want to go into that line of work.
Charity: What we would like to see in your realm of your running your government is not an elected official. It would be basically a position that the Guardian has led that Essence to put their charge into. It's not something for the humans, other humans, to vote on for that other human, being you think as a human thinks that that human needs to be into. It is not up to you humans to decide what another human is going to be into if the Guardian has chosen for that one to be in there. If you have chosen to disapprove that one that the Guardian has been told to put into that office, you have therefore deviated from their Life Plan and you have deviated from your Life Plan and the other ones that have voted it down.
Ralph: Could I introduce the fact that in ancient Athens in Greece, I understand, they did exactly that?
Charity: Thank you.
Ralph: They had all members of the legislature picked by lottery
Charity: That's not the term we're talking about.
Ralph: I'm saying that every, in this case, only males, were considered equally competent to go into the legislature, and they just pulled by lot who would go to the legislature. They didn't run for election, nobody had to have campaigns, nobody voted, but they got a very representative sample of the citizens who did quite well. I'm just saying the fact that they were led in there by that method instead of election turned out well.
Charity: That is an avenue that we had instilled unto that culture, but they had taken it further by still drawing a lot instead of letting the Guardian take over.
Ralph: You could still decide whose lot gets drawn.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: I'm saying that this avoided the question of elections and all the ramifications of campaign contributions.
Charity: But what we are concerned about is because of your avenues, because your globe is not being run well, is that you humans are choosing what individuals need to be running your globe's affairs, and therefore the ones that we have sought are not in there and they should be in there. And then each course of all humanities that are on the glove their courses are not clearly laid out, they are deviating from where they should be.
Ralph: Well, I think you have just hit another sacred cow. This was just the latest. I want to bring to your attention that our election process as a republic, which you should note is that all of us that are represented elect equally a representative who goes to the central headquarters to vote on these issues with the other elected people. We don't directly vote on the issues from home. That is another suggestion however, by the Internet, that we could do that. But at this moment –
Charity: You humans are even choosing to change the design of the Internet to cause them to get onto that.
Ralph: I'm just pointing out that we have a second hand vote through our representatives.
Charity: What we would also like to see, as we told you, is that the monetary system be abolished, but we are working towards that now.
Ralph: Well, I don't think I will be around here to see that. We consider this particular style of electing representative to be a great improvement over what most of the world has, who don't have the choice to elect anybody. And who gets into run the government is somebody who shot the other president.
Charity: It might be what you humans consider running, but most humans don't even know what an Essence is, therefore when the Project comes across, the idea of an Essence and the duties and responsibilities of the CIE becomes known and your leaders will then understand the avenue and may change back to what it should be. This is all part of The Great Deception.
Ralph: How is that aspect ?
Charity: You humans needed an avenue of having, once we have stopped you believing in and worshiping ourselves and then reincarnation was taken away, all the avenues of all the other stuff regarding the parts of the Great Teacher, that everything was changed to bring about a way of making sure that your globe was built up and evolved the way it is now. Once that is happened, then this part of it must be changed back to what it used to be.
Ralph: Then let me ask then on the question of government representation, the old style was kings, and initially they would be the most powerful warrior in the tribe. Isn't that generally who became a king? The others die off, and only the strong survive. He was also a charismatic leader whom everybody respected.
Charity: You have to remember that when, as you say, in ancient Greece, they had drawn the representatives by lot. They had also for the way that the battles were done, or if they had won a great battle so they were then deemed to be very important to be leader of that great country.
Ralph: That is one style of picking a leader,
Charity: That is an inadequate style. We do not enforce the idea of the idea that you humans have of destroying another Essence. Why bother to try and kill another human being?
Ralph: I'm not debating that, I'm just pointing out that the original king, many times, was the most successful leader of their army.
Charity: The most successful warrior and leader, but there was an avenue which was distant in history, you can't find it in your literature, but there was an avenue with one civilization or culture that we were involved in that they were elected for their wisdom only, to run a country.
Ralph: I'm just pointing out the sequential ways. The next one is the kingdom that then goes by birth, and the king's son then becomes the next king. The king of England – that's the way they have it, right? These are styles that have existed.
Charity: These are all part of The Great Deception.
Ralph: Let me try and understand what was being deceived in this political – I don't get the connection between the Great Deception and the political succession of leadership.
Charity: You have to remember the succession of leadership was to build up the country in your globe to what it is now. We want it all to be reversed back to the culture that we have been involved in quite some time ago. To bring it back to electing or having the Guardian instilling into the Essence is to let that human know that they have the wisdom to run that country or that continent or that state or whatever you choose to call it.
Ralph: I have an automatic question. How does this child then growing up to be the leader let anybody know about this to where they have a chance to be a leader?
Charity: It will be acknowledged.
Ralph: What about the one in Tibet? The Dali Lama is reincarnated into another little boy and that becomes the next Dali Lama and they just chose one not too long ago. In fact there were two contenders that were being challenged.
Charity: And therefore you can tell that there was not an appropriate system if there were two contenders.
Ralph: Well, I'm just pointing out that's what they have been doing for quite some centuries because they believe they can tell who is the reincarnated person of the dead Dali Lama.
Charity: No one can tell or decide who is the one who has the wisdom or the knowledge. That is why it is very important that the Essence be acknowledged and therefore the Guardian be acknowledged.
Ralph: I'm saying that that is another style that is close to what you are talking about. This person is destined to be the leader, and they took this little boy out, and they said, "We recognize him to be the destined leader for our country."
Charity: We would instill onto that human that this is the time we would be open, a lot being drawn, that lot could only be that human's lot and therefore would be running your continent for the matters that need to be for the wisdom and the spiritual maturity of the one pointed out.
Ralph: You can bring this to a real live president. How about John F. Kennedy? You told me he was now one of The Great Teacher.
Charity: Yes.
Ralph: Well, he was the president for two years. Now he went through the political process, he ran for election, he did all that and he became the president. Now was he not meant to be the president? Wasn't he where he was supposed to be?
Charity: He was meant to be, but you have to remember what you humans at that time had the fear of Catholics running because, most humans were afraid of that to happen. So all of the cards were going against him, they had made a decision, most of the humans did not think that Mr. Kennedy was going to be elected. And because of that, but of course you know that changed, if we remember right, he won not a gigantic margin but a popular vote margin.
Ralph: My point here is that he got elected in the standard process, so, if he was meant to be, why can't the born leader be elected through the standard process?
Charity: Because they are born leaders, you have very few of them, and most of your leaders that you have now become occupied with turned Essences and Essences that are being turned that most of the humans are concerned with monetary values instead of the avenue of helping others in need of whatever. They are not interested in sharing what they have to help the other humans.
Ralph: It does appear that one could get through the political process if one feels one belongs at the top. They have to be presidential acting to become elected.
Charity: But you humans also have to remember that you have monetary values of spending enormous amounts of money, of monetary funds to elect someone to any office. You have humans that need to be put into that office, but there is not enough money to get into that office. And most times we will not, we will change it if it will happen, needs to happen immediately. But most times we will not intercede.
Ralph: In regard to politics, we have major questions here. At this moment, we have countries where people have no right to pick their leaders, and they get whoever can undermine the current leadership, usually a general who raids the palace and gets rid of the present general who is in there. In some countries they have gone through nine generals in nine years. Those are not too stable countries, and they are often considered dictatorships, which is a bad word. But what you are suggesting is another kind of dictatorship, you see. These people have not come as a result of being recognized by the people they are dealing with as being qualified, having experience of working up in higher and higher levels of work, and therefore why should they be trusted with running our country? They haven't shown any skills. We have one right now, Jessie Jackson, who's a black minister. He has never run anything and he keeps running for president of the US. He hasn't been a mayor, he hasn't been a state governor, he hasn't been a legislator. He has had no governmental experience whatsoever, and if he would get elected – it takes skills to do the job.
Charity: He could have had the skills in a prior life.
Ralph: We don't know about his prior lives to be able to judge that.
Charity: Then why would you humans want to judge another human? What we are stating is why should you humans be judging something that has already been ordained by the Guardians they have?
Ralph: Nobody out there voting knows that the Guardians have decided any of this.
Charity: That is why it is important when the Project comes out that they will understand that avenue.
Ralph: But that is not likely to be an acceptable idea, because they could consider it a con job on the part of the person who said, "My Guardian said I should be president, so here I am!" That's not going to go very far.
Charity: There was the precautions to be put onto that avenue for that to never happen. We are not telling you that it is going to happen in your great-grandchildren's lifetime.
Ralph: I can see that. I'm saying that we would have to change completely the structure of the governmental process. I'm just saying it would seem to me on the surface of it that for somebody to make that assumption, that they are qualified for a leadership role in their society, that they are then going back to the dictatorship role.
Charity: You have to remember that if you humans state, as an example, if you humans choose to say, "My Guardian has chosen me to run the country", you would know by that pronouncement that no, that is a falsehood. No human is going to make that pronouncement. No guardian is going to make that pronouncement. It will happen. And for us to go on with this avenue will just bring you more questions. We would rather that we drop this subject and pick it up at another time to go on with it.
Ralph: Could I ask, as an example on TV last night, on the training of a man who led the Tartars through Asia, called Attila the Hun. And it was a description of his childhood and upbringing that led him to lead the Huns all across Europe as their leader since he was 35, and his father and uncles had all died. Now he was trained from boyhood with all the skills needed to lead his people. There was no lack of training that he was given. He was skilled in everything that he had to do. Now he naturally was seen by everybody who knew him as the most talented horseman, hunter, etc, that there was and they had no problems in seeing him leading him, because he was trained from age four. Now if that's going to happen, fine, the person is proving himself to his friends and neighbors, but otherwise I don't see how you could expect anybody to follow him.
Charity: What you were stating is what you humans believe is now, is what you have seen and what you have experienced. You do not see it how we see it. And for us to try to explain it to you is confusing because your belief system's instilled knowledge is taking control of what we are trying to state. When we can get the right wordage for you to be able to continue on for this part of this conversation, we will, but right now it is at the point that you are not ready for it. We have gone as far as we can with that avenue of it. Do you understand that, Dearest?
Ralph: I stated my question. OK, the other part of our belief system is that government works best with the consent of the governed.
Charity: Why would you want to pass something [a law] that can't correct a social behavior when your family has instilled what social behavior you need for that culture which you are born into – that the Guardian has selected for you? Why?
Ralph: I don't know. Why do we elect these people to office? Some of them are you’ve got to be kidding.
Charity: Do you vote for them, is that not the term?
Ralph: The ones I vote for don't always get there. I wonder about the people that want to go into that line of work.
Charity: What we would like to see in your realm of your running your government is not an elected official. It would be basically a position that the Guardian has led that Essence to put their charge into. It's not something for the humans, other humans, to vote on for that other human, being you think as a human thinks that that human needs to be into. It is not up to you humans to decide what another human is going to be into if the Guardian has chosen for that one to be in there. If you have chosen to disapprove that one that the Guardian has been told to put into that office, you have therefore deviated from their Life Plan and you have deviated from your Life Plan and the other ones that have voted it down.
Ralph: Could I introduce the fact that in ancient Athens in Greece, I understand, they did exactly that?
Charity: Thank you.
Ralph: They had all members of the legislature picked by lottery
Charity: That's not the term we're talking about.
Ralph: I'm saying that every, in this case, only males, were considered equally competent to go into the legislature, and they just pulled by lot who would go to the legislature. They didn't run for election, nobody had to have campaigns, nobody voted, but they got a very representative sample of the citizens who did quite well. I'm just saying the fact that they were led in there by that method instead of election turned out well.
Charity: That is an avenue that we had instilled unto that culture, but they had taken it further by still drawing a lot instead of letting the Guardian take over.
Ralph: You could still decide whose lot gets drawn.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: I'm saying that this avoided the question of elections and all the ramifications of campaign contributions.
Charity: But what we are concerned about is because of your avenues, because your globe is not being run well, is that you humans are choosing what individuals need to be running your globe's affairs, and therefore the ones that we have sought are not in there and they should be in there. And then each course of all humanities that are on the glove their courses are not clearly laid out, they are deviating from where they should be.
Ralph: Well, I think you have just hit another sacred cow. This was just the latest. I want to bring to your attention that our election process as a republic, which you should note is that all of us that are represented elect equally a representative who goes to the central headquarters to vote on these issues with the other elected people. We don't directly vote on the issues from home. That is another suggestion however, by the Internet, that we could do that. But at this moment –
Charity: You humans are even choosing to change the design of the Internet to cause them to get onto that.
Ralph: I'm just pointing out that we have a second hand vote through our representatives.
Charity: What we would also like to see, as we told you, is that the monetary system be abolished, but we are working towards that now.
Ralph: Well, I don't think I will be around here to see that. We consider this particular style of electing representative to be a great improvement over what most of the world has, who don't have the choice to elect anybody. And who gets into run the government is somebody who shot the other president.
Charity: It might be what you humans consider running, but most humans don't even know what an Essence is, therefore when the Project comes across, the idea of an Essence and the duties and responsibilities of the CIE becomes known and your leaders will then understand the avenue and may change back to what it should be. This is all part of The Great Deception.
Ralph: How is that aspect ?
Charity: You humans needed an avenue of having, once we have stopped you believing in and worshiping ourselves and then reincarnation was taken away, all the avenues of all the other stuff regarding the parts of the Great Teacher, that everything was changed to bring about a way of making sure that your globe was built up and evolved the way it is now. Once that is happened, then this part of it must be changed back to what it used to be.
Ralph: Then let me ask then on the question of government representation, the old style was kings, and initially they would be the most powerful warrior in the tribe. Isn't that generally who became a king? The others die off, and only the strong survive. He was also a charismatic leader whom everybody respected.
Charity: You have to remember that when, as you say, in ancient Greece, they had drawn the representatives by lot. They had also for the way that the battles were done, or if they had won a great battle so they were then deemed to be very important to be leader of that great country.
Ralph: That is one style of picking a leader,
Charity: That is an inadequate style. We do not enforce the idea of the idea that you humans have of destroying another Essence. Why bother to try and kill another human being?
Ralph: I'm not debating that, I'm just pointing out that the original king, many times, was the most successful leader of their army.
Charity: The most successful warrior and leader, but there was an avenue which was distant in history, you can't find it in your literature, but there was an avenue with one civilization or culture that we were involved in that they were elected for their wisdom only, to run a country.
Ralph: I'm just pointing out the sequential ways. The next one is the kingdom that then goes by birth, and the king's son then becomes the next king. The king of England – that's the way they have it, right? These are styles that have existed.
Charity: These are all part of The Great Deception.
Ralph: Let me try and understand what was being deceived in this political – I don't get the connection between the Great Deception and the political succession of leadership.
Charity: You have to remember the succession of leadership was to build up the country in your globe to what it is now. We want it all to be reversed back to the culture that we have been involved in quite some time ago. To bring it back to electing or having the Guardian instilling into the Essence is to let that human know that they have the wisdom to run that country or that continent or that state or whatever you choose to call it.
Ralph: I have an automatic question. How does this child then growing up to be the leader let anybody know about this to where they have a chance to be a leader?
Charity: It will be acknowledged.
Ralph: What about the one in Tibet? The Dali Lama is reincarnated into another little boy and that becomes the next Dali Lama and they just chose one not too long ago. In fact there were two contenders that were being challenged.
Charity: And therefore you can tell that there was not an appropriate system if there were two contenders.
Ralph: Well, I'm just pointing out that's what they have been doing for quite some centuries because they believe they can tell who is the reincarnated person of the dead Dali Lama.
Charity: No one can tell or decide who is the one who has the wisdom or the knowledge. That is why it is very important that the Essence be acknowledged and therefore the Guardian be acknowledged.
Ralph: I'm saying that that is another style that is close to what you are talking about. This person is destined to be the leader, and they took this little boy out, and they said, "We recognize him to be the destined leader for our country."
Charity: We would instill onto that human that this is the time we would be open, a lot being drawn, that lot could only be that human's lot and therefore would be running your continent for the matters that need to be for the wisdom and the spiritual maturity of the one pointed out.
Ralph: You can bring this to a real live president. How about John F. Kennedy? You told me he was now one of The Great Teacher.
Charity: Yes.
Ralph: Well, he was the president for two years. Now he went through the political process, he ran for election, he did all that and he became the president. Now was he not meant to be the president? Wasn't he where he was supposed to be?
Charity: He was meant to be, but you have to remember what you humans at that time had the fear of Catholics running because, most humans were afraid of that to happen. So all of the cards were going against him, they had made a decision, most of the humans did not think that Mr. Kennedy was going to be elected. And because of that, but of course you know that changed, if we remember right, he won not a gigantic margin but a popular vote margin.
Ralph: My point here is that he got elected in the standard process, so, if he was meant to be, why can't the born leader be elected through the standard process?
Charity: Because they are born leaders, you have very few of them, and most of your leaders that you have now become occupied with turned Essences and Essences that are being turned that most of the humans are concerned with monetary values instead of the avenue of helping others in need of whatever. They are not interested in sharing what they have to help the other humans.
Ralph: It does appear that one could get through the political process if one feels one belongs at the top. They have to be presidential acting to become elected.
Charity: But you humans also have to remember that you have monetary values of spending enormous amounts of money, of monetary funds to elect someone to any office. You have humans that need to be put into that office, but there is not enough money to get into that office. And most times we will not, we will change it if it will happen, needs to happen immediately. But most times we will not intercede.
Ralph: In regard to politics, we have major questions here. At this moment, we have countries where people have no right to pick their leaders, and they get whoever can undermine the current leadership, usually a general who raids the palace and gets rid of the present general who is in there. In some countries they have gone through nine generals in nine years. Those are not too stable countries, and they are often considered dictatorships, which is a bad word. But what you are suggesting is another kind of dictatorship, you see. These people have not come as a result of being recognized by the people they are dealing with as being qualified, having experience of working up in higher and higher levels of work, and therefore why should they be trusted with running our country? They haven't shown any skills. We have one right now, Jessie Jackson, who's a black minister. He has never run anything and he keeps running for president of the US. He hasn't been a mayor, he hasn't been a state governor, he hasn't been a legislator. He has had no governmental experience whatsoever, and if he would get elected – it takes skills to do the job.
Charity: He could have had the skills in a prior life.
Ralph: We don't know about his prior lives to be able to judge that.
Charity: Then why would you humans want to judge another human? What we are stating is why should you humans be judging something that has already been ordained by the Guardians they have?
Ralph: Nobody out there voting knows that the Guardians have decided any of this.
Charity: That is why it is important when the Project comes out that they will understand that avenue.
Ralph: But that is not likely to be an acceptable idea, because they could consider it a con job on the part of the person who said, "My Guardian said I should be president, so here I am!" That's not going to go very far.
Charity: There was the precautions to be put onto that avenue for that to never happen. We are not telling you that it is going to happen in your great-grandchildren's lifetime.
Ralph: I can see that. I'm saying that we would have to change completely the structure of the governmental process. I'm just saying it would seem to me on the surface of it that for somebody to make that assumption, that they are qualified for a leadership role in their society, that they are then going back to the dictatorship role.
Charity: You have to remember that if you humans state, as an example, if you humans choose to say, "My Guardian has chosen me to run the country", you would know by that pronouncement that no, that is a falsehood. No human is going to make that pronouncement. No guardian is going to make that pronouncement. It will happen. And for us to go on with this avenue will just bring you more questions. We would rather that we drop this subject and pick it up at another time to go on with it.
Ralph: Could I ask, as an example on TV last night, on the training of a man who led the Tartars through Asia, called Attila the Hun. And it was a description of his childhood and upbringing that led him to lead the Huns all across Europe as their leader since he was 35, and his father and uncles had all died. Now he was trained from boyhood with all the skills needed to lead his people. There was no lack of training that he was given. He was skilled in everything that he had to do. Now he naturally was seen by everybody who knew him as the most talented horseman, hunter, etc, that there was and they had no problems in seeing him leading him, because he was trained from age four. Now if that's going to happen, fine, the person is proving himself to his friends and neighbors, but otherwise I don't see how you could expect anybody to follow him.
Charity: What you were stating is what you humans believe is now, is what you have seen and what you have experienced. You do not see it how we see it. And for us to try to explain it to you is confusing because your belief system's instilled knowledge is taking control of what we are trying to state. When we can get the right wordage for you to be able to continue on for this part of this conversation, we will, but right now it is at the point that you are not ready for it. We have gone as far as we can with that avenue of it. Do you understand that, Dearest?
Ralph: I stated my question. OK, the other part of our belief system is that government works best with the consent of the governed.
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