Wednesday, June 25, 2008

Charity's Views on Welfare & Criminals

During my discussions in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we discussed her views of providing welfare grants to citizens and other topics related to antisocial behavior of citizens. Here is a transcription of that conversation.

Charity: We are here. We manage, we direct, we do all for all humans. Let us do our responsibility.

Ralph: Well, now, if we take that to heart, then we would pretty well be able to eliminate all of our welfare departments,

Charity: Is that monetary again?

Ralph: Well, they are there to give them the monetary support they don’t have so they can pay for food and water and clothing..

Charity: We can understand that aspect. Some humans have more than other humans do. With the avenue of spiritually teaching and spiritual growing another human, you also are going to share your resources, necessary for survival itself. But what we are stating is that you as humans do not need to take, or physically protect, or negate our responsibilities, feel it is your responsibilities. The human population does need their nourishment to sustain their existence. That is fine. You can do that. That’s OK. But when the time has come for the non-existence of the human at that time, we have other avenues of non-existence.

Ralph: All right, now, I have met in prison men who killed their babies. They were living on the streets, they were Hippies, drug addicts, the wife was, too, and this baby came along, and they killed it. They then get sent to prison.

Charity: Let me stop you. We have a question for you. You have a different facial expression when you are talking regarding drug addicts and hippies and living on the streets, etc. Why does your facial expression change? Your facial expression seems to ourselves as something that you detest.

Ralph: Well, they are doing everything that is against my code of how to behave in a civilized society.

Charity: So therefore it is your code that you are dictating unto them?

Ralph: No, I'm not dictating. I don’t have to approve of what they do.

Charity: That’s all we wanted to know.

Ralph: If they choose to be there, fine. I don’t have to agree with that. They have other places they could go to that they have chosen not to go to. That’s frequently the fact. It isn’t that they are forced into it.

Charity: We were just wondering.

Ralph: But they are operating at a suboptimal level of social behavior regarding raising their children. And the children frequently end up being hurt, diseased, and killed.

Charity: You were stating just a second ago before we interrupted yourself that human men who are in your prison situation have gone out and killed their babies and then wound up in prison, and you were going to –

Ralph: Now, I'm just saying, that if you were to have it the way you would choose to have it, these people would still be killing their babies, and you would be taking care of the Essences of the babies, I mean, you have to anyhow, but would you let that man continue walking around the streets free to kill the next baby that came along? Because that is what he would probably do.

Charity: If it was designed for him, on that aspect to do, yes.

Ralph: That kind of an idea would create what we call Soft on Crime issue and would certainly be subject for a great deal of criticism. This is an awful man to harm an innocent child, who couldn’t even defend himself. And you’re just going to let him walk free?

Charity: Would you not want that human to come back and become a baby that it was going to, that that human body before had destroyed?

Ralph: Well this – you don’t care that the man did it, that it’s OK to kill all the babies you want? That is not a good idea. It does not teach him anything about –

Charity: You have to remember that everything that a human being learns and does in any of its lifetimes are going to be learned and redone again and either grown or stay the same until they can pass through. Each human has several eons of Life Plans until you have completed your Master Life Plan.

Ralph: Here I am saying that this would imply that there is no need for a social control system of any sort. Let everybody do whatever they want. That’s chaos.

Charity: You have to remember that you have different scenarios of what you are stating. We are looking at the Essence, you are looking at the human carcass, correct?

Ralph: Yes.

Charity: If the Essence of that human who had destroyed or killed that other life, that Essence was designed to do it and it carried it out to what had to be done. Then that’s fine. Then it would know that it would either have to be, per your society that you have now, that it knew that it would have to be locked away. That that was the way it was going to teach and learn to have their charge learn. Right? Now, on a different scenario basis, we can see an Essence there that at that time had destroyed that life as it was designed to do, but did it in such a way that it was turning. What could happen at that time is that that human would probably go into what you considered your prison, then something would spiritually happen to that human as it was incarcerated to have a lesson learned to itself, basically to the Essence. That is what it is. And you have the other scenario again which states, goes up to the same part of it, but the Essence is turned. It enjoyed the kill. It was talking to the humans about how it was going to destroy another. It might have been designed to go ahead and destroy two or three more, whatever the case may be. But the Essence is turned. Therefore when that human is caught, or that human could be destroyed by another human, in the same manner, at that time, we could take that Essence up and it would go into my school.

Ralph: Now, OK, one thing I left out of this scenario, which I think helps your argument, is that with the people I would see in a big city who are raising children on the street and not doing what I’d consider a proper job of giving them a home, and putting them in danger, we have the criminal justice system and the jails to respond to that. That’s what our culture consists of. OK? The Guardians have put them into this culture, where those jails exist, where those police departments are going to be active. Or the Guardians could have put them into some tribal culture in Africa where there are no jails, and they would behave again according to the customs of that territory.

Charity: That’s correct.

Ralph: So it’s all right for us to have the jails, as long as the people don’t operate with turned Essences running the jails.

Charity: That’s another avenue unto themselves.

Tuesday, June 24, 2008

Charity's Views on Swearing

During conversations in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we discussed the various rules in the Ten Commandments. Here is the transcription of a discussion we had on swearing, taking the Lord’s name in vain.

Ralph: Alright, next it says, "Do not use my name for evil purposes. I, the Lord your God, will punish anyone who misuses my name." Now that's commonly said, "Do not state the name of God in vain." Don't use him for swear words.

Charity: We don't swear.

Ralph: It's saying to the people that people should not swear words, and the common one in conflict with this is when somebody says, "God damn you." That means, "I want God to condemn you to some horrible fate because you have made me unhappy." That's what "goddamn you" comes from. It’s a violation of this commandment.

Charity: First of all, The Creator does not, cannot and will not punish any human being. He made human beings to be exactly what they are. And He gave the Essences unto them.

Ralph: This is just using His name as an insult.

Charity: The Lord seems to ourselves – we don't understand why they use the name "The Lord." The Lord to ourselves does not mean anything, we don't even have a word that means anything close to that.

Ralph: Lord is master of any group.

Charity: Well, The Creator is not a master.

Ralph: Good point, that is what this implies, the master over a group, like the lord over servants.

Charity: Oh, no, the human beings are not servants. The human beings are still on this earth to live their lifetimes and to grow and to become Essences so they can take their places.

Ralph: The meaning I get of this is like in politics, you have a governor over a state, you have a president over the United States and he has armies and police he can call on, he enforces the laws and if he tells you you have broken the law, he can hire these people to put you in jail.

Charity: Again to ourselves, this is another rule that the humans have brought down and put down and "swear words" you say, if you use a swear word with The Creator's name in it, whatever The Creator's name might be.

Ralph: Yahweh was the most common one then.

Charity: Then therefore, if you do that, it goes against what they want the humans to do, so therefore they put that rule in there.

Ralph: When I asked Dave Gotlib some things about Jewish traditions, as he was horn into a Jewish family, one of the things he said was that, in his school, they were forbidden to use any word for God, such as Yahweh, being the most common one they used in the ancient Jewish times. That I think is how far they have gone. They can't even use the name, because it might be used for an evil purpose.

Charity: There were, first of all, there is no evil in our definition, in our space, and in our realm, there is no definition, there is no word, so how can The Creator say that if you use The Creator's name wrong, whichever the case would be, then it will be evil when there is no word in our language that states that aspect.

Ralph: The only thing that I know for sure that would be talking in opposition to this rule is when you say, "I want God to condemn you because you have done something to hurt me." This is known as "goddamn you." A swear insult.

Charity: That again is a revenge mode, is it not? The Creator is not going to dictate a revenge. The Creator only loves.

Ralph: This sort of implies that a person could get God to do some damage to this person, which is what we talk about in curses, and black magic, and voodoo.

Charity: The Creator is not going to do anything on that avenue. So there is no reason for a human to want The Creator to hurt another human being, that's not going to happen.

Ralph: But, in social structures, it's not nice to say those kind of nasty things to your neighbor. Correct? As a social rule, it's not nice to be insulting. You don't like a putdown.

Charity: For our sake, why use words that will try and harm a human being, another entity? There is no need for it to come up in intellectual conversation without using anything that might be hurtful to the other ones that are listening.

Ralph: That is about what this supports. You aren't supposed to hurt other people's feelings.

Charity: Correct.

Charity's Views on Stealing

During my conversations in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we covered the Ten Commandments. Here is a transcript of our discussion about stealing.

Ralph: Now I do understand a little bit, I remember the history of the Ten Commandments, they had a new city and such being built there and there was chaos and disorder and Moses was their leader and he has to say, "Behave, folks, you know, Basically, here's our constitution for running this place. Don't kill anybody, Don't steal from people, Don't go stealing their wives."

Charity: What are the other avenues of these Ten Commandments? You quoted one.

Ralph: “You shall not steal” is another one.

Charity: Which means?

Ralph: Don't take something that they own from somebody. Don't go steal his horse.

Charity: Why should that be a commandment from The Creator?

Ralph: I'm just telling you it's listed there.

Charity: That does not exist.

Ralph: If the man has a horse to get around on, if you steal it, he can't get around. That's not right.

Charity: But why should one human have something the other human does not have?

Ralph: Well, if the other human wants a horse, he should earn the money to buy the horse. Or he should ask to borrow the horse. He shouldn't go and sneak it out in the middle of the night without permission.

Charity: What's the difference between stealing per se and taking it without asking?

Ralph: Without permission and therefore depriving him of something he rightfully owned in the first place.

Charity: But still there is not a commandment as per se or a rule from The Creator in our realm. We don't take something without asking. Why would it therefore be a rule of The Creator when The Creator knows what's – we all have the same aspects as all in our space.

Ralph: Excellent point. I'm just bringing it up as another reason why so many people get to CMC and Avenal State Prisons, for stealing things.

Charity: That does not equate.

Ralph: That's where we get the message that this is a no-no thing to do and The Creator disapproves of it, so therefore we should pass laws against it.

Charity: First of all, The Creator would not exercise that rule at all because The Creator knows what we have in Thoughtspace, we're all the same for all of us. Therefore no rule would be passed or created by The Creator to make note of a human aspect. So that is not from The Creator.

Ralph: Well, I think you can see it as a reasonable principle for a tribe of people setting up a little town.

Charity: That would be a reasonable explanation for another human to put that as a rule, but then use it as stating it, "It's not my rule," as stating the human, but God’s or The Creator's rule. That way it is enforced why that rule was written down. Therefore as you say, it is not The Creator's rule.

Ralph: I think you are quite logical about that. I'm just pointing out that was the second one that Moses brought down to his tribe from the mountain top where he said God gave it to him.

Charity: As we have said, The Creator created the human population. The Creator is not going to lay down these rules of conduct to the human population. All these are done by the human population to control the population.

Ralph: Well, they've been used for that for a long time. Well, the next one beyond that is "Do not desire another man's wife, do not desire his house, his land, his slaves, his cattle, his donkeys or anything else that he owns."

Charity: OK

Ralph: That's next to "do not steal" – do not want them. So I would think you would have the same reasoning as the "do not steal" issue. You are not there concerning yourself with owning these things.

Charity: No, you humans are.

Ralph: A good social rule.

Charity: Of course, you are going through these somewhat fast.

Ralph: I'm just trying to make sure we cover all the items, because those are all laid down as God's rules of conduct and every church goes by these things in what they preach. And then they stand up there and make you feel guilty if you have failed to follow them all. And that is a major control mechanism in our culture.

Charity: Again, it is a control feature that you humans have applied to other humans.

Ralph: That is what it says, "These are the commandments that the Lord gave to all of you when you were gathered at the mountain when you spoke with a mighty voice from the fire and from the thick clouds, He gave us these commandments and no others." No amendments allowed, I guess. "Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me."

Charity: Is that not what –

Ralph: There they were, written all out on the stone tablets.

Charity: Why would The Creator want to write out something that He delegated to the human population on fixed rules? There are no rules in our realm. Why should The Creator choose to have rules for the human population? Why would He need to change the avenue of the way things are run?

Monday, June 23, 2008

Charity's Views on Prostitution

During 1995, I had many conversations with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. One of them was about her opinions on prostitution. Here is a recording of that discussion.

Ralph: Well, ethics we were talking about. That's going to be a biggie. You're concerned about ethics. And I'm concerned about ethics. What are ethics? An example was that movie, “A Little Whorehouse in Texas” last night, which is a typical example of the conflict that goes on. All the laws, all the religions, and the constitution say that prostitution is an evil, bad, illegal, awful thing to do. Yet it has been on earth ever since there have been humans, apparently, as far as our recorded history can tell. It hasn't been abolished by all the laws that have been passed against it. That story was how it fitted into this little town and they didn't mind it in this little town, but the outside do-gooder comes in and says, "Oh, you bad people here, you are breaking the moral code of Texas by allowing this evil institution to exist here." And they threw him out of town. And that is a typical example of the conflicts that occur. So, how do you think about such things?

Charity: Regarding what aspects?

Ralph: The ethics of prostitution. Do you approve of prostitutes operating? That's the kind of thing people would ask. What do the CIE think about these prostitutes?

Charity: What is prostitution?

Ralph: Those are women who are selling their sex for money. They will have sexual intercourse with men if they are paid cash for it.

Charity: So, it's an occupation, is it not?

Ralph: Yes, it's a way of making a living.

Charity: OK, so what's the problem?

Ralph: What's the problem? Well, I believe there was a book that defined it; it was called “Everything You Wanted to Know About Sex But Never Dared Ask”. His principle was that sex was only right if it's done for procreation or fun.

Charity: Who wrote it?

Ralph: That was a psychiatrist who wrote this book. Now I thought it made pretty good sense to me. But when it's being done for profit, and therefore also exploitation, it gets into a business,

Charity: Exploitation of whom?

Ralph: Of the women.

Charity: But if the women are doing it for money, making it an occupation, how is it exploitation?

Ralph: Well, let me put it this way. From what I know of some prostitutes, they also are exploiting the other direction, because most of them hate men, and this is a way of taking something from men that ordinarily would be given without cash. They are exploiting the men, too. It is a manipulative device in both directions, depending on the attitude of the person. Many of these women don't have any occupation, they don't have any marketable skills, and therefore there is no business they can go to work for, and this they don't need a marketable skill for. They just lie there.

Charity: Are they doing it for – see, we don't understand.

Ralph: There are different women, of course.

Charity: It sounds to us that the Essences that they have have completely turned and are using their charges for complete destruction, for annihilation, or they just don't want to be an Essence anymore. Therefore they have the body doing what it's doing now. Faith has told you that she is in charge of all matters of jobs; by matters of jobs, the Essence also has to be ready and willing to accept the occupation that it is ascribed to by the Guardian. It seems to us that the Essences of these women therefore have turned or are turning or on their last existence with life time to be able to bring them back to school.

Ralph: This is a good example of a behavior that has been disapproved of by every legal code that we know of, but, it has been approved of by the people in every culture anyhow, and we have the state of Nevada, next door to us, that has made it legal – you get a license and you're examined, and it’s all done as a legal business. It's the only state in the country that has it as a legal business. And you have places in Holland where they have blocks where these ladies have their apartments, and you can come in and have sex with them for money. It's part of the business of the city. So you have the universal, let's let 'em lie, but we'll still make it a bad thing officially. It's a good example of one of the hypocracies of our world.

Charity: Called a two way sword?

Ralph: Everybody rails against it, but you have some of our better leaders going out and using these prostitutes for one purpose or another, for themselves or to entertain visiting businessmen. We just had a recent trial with Heidi Fleiss in Hollywood who was doing this with visiting businessmen that had a lot of money.

Charity: They did not feel comfortable with the mate that they were proscribed with?

Ralph: No, it's more like entertainment when they are visiting a foreign country. In many countries, like Japan, this is a custom that they want a woman to go to bed with when they visit the United States or England or Germany. This is part of what they consider entertainment, like going out to the opera for some other people.

Charity: But for humans that is not entertainment. Entertainment per se as we understand it, it sounds to us that they were trying to get hold of something to satisfy the innate urges that The Creator has instilled into all humans.

Ralph: Well that's part of it, but I think many people like having some nice person of the opposite sex to be with and talk with, to enjoy the company of when they are in a strange town.

Charity: If that is the correct terminology, they are not – in the terms of the mate situation, it is still the correct term for the mate at home, for they are still mated. The ones who come to another country and enjoy the company of another one of your species, then they therefore are not mates because they are not mated.

Ralph: It is a one time thing.

Charity: But what you had just stated to us was that they go out and enjoy the company and that's it.

Ralph: Mostly, what I've heard, not having done it myself; a lot of people who hire prostitutes for an evening of company are not looking for the sexual activity as the primary goal. They are lonely, and these prostitutes learn to be sociable and entertaining, and they talk a lot. That's what they are really appreciated for. The sex is the ticket to get in the door. They will have sex at the end of the evening. But many guys, I understand, that hire them, are lonely people who haven't got many social skills and don't have any girlfriends to take out, and they don't have a wife. So that is the local people. The visiting ones, when they are out of town and their relatives aren't going to know about it at home, can pretty well pretend they are single. A lot of men do this. I've seen them in the AF; pilots did it frequently going to other countries for training. Pilots were unique in this, I understand. They could simply dissociate themselves from the family at home. They weren't criticizing the family at home. In their minds, they didn't have a family at home. When they landed there, there was no family at home. Some set up a whole new family in the other country. They married another woman and had children in another home for six months there and back for six months at their home country. They dissociated between the two. There were some men who were able to do that, and it was a major problem for the AF, for the wives at home got very upset. Those are different ways of it happening. All of that is considered BAD when you have sex outside of your marriage partner.

Charity: Because of the physical act, then that is considered bad.

Ralph: That makes it bad, yes. You can socialize, and they won't consider it bad.

Charity: But if you go to the point of coming to wherever you are, in the company of someone of the opposite gender, to converse, to talk to, to enjoy a movie, or whatever, that is accepted.

Ralph: That is moral, yes.

Charity: But to have sex, to bring it one step farther, then that is not appropriate.

Ralph: Correct. That's the code.

Charity: That makes no sense to ourselves.

Ralph: Well, that is why I am bringing it up.

Charity: So, if, for instance, with you talking to Marie, then you are in the acceptable standard. Therefore there should not be any, by any other humans observing the situation, they would know there is nothing else that goes further, correct?

Ralph: Well, if they don't see anything gross, like if we do not go into an apartment and stay there overnight and come out the next morning after breakfast, if we do that, then anyone would assume that we were doing something immoral. Because we could have.

Charity: But if nothing had happened at that time, why would the assumptions be made that they would do that?

Ralph: That's humans. They will assume that they were made. Then you must defend yourself against that.

Charity: Why would that be necessary?

Ralph: If you came before a judge or referee, such as in a divorce court. "Did he or did he not have sex with that person he spent all night with?"

Charity: But that's not an issue if nothing happened. You might have come over as a friend.

Ralph: True, and slept on the floor.

Charity: And needed to do such things,

Ralph: You are right, but, humans will assume the likelihood, the probability that two people in an apartment with one bedroom all night long will have had sex. That is going to he an automatic assumption of 95% of people who face that situation.

Charity: The assumptions are inadequate, inconsistent. The only way that the assumptions – no assumptions can ever be validated. The only way that anyone could know what had happened behind closed doors would be the individuals there or, if they advertised it.

Ralph: Or had a videotape.

Charity: Right, but if humans find it necessary to assume things that they do not have access to that will make their assumptions correct when no assumptions can be correct.

Ralph: There are principles that have been decided by judges on these matters. They talk about what the reasonable man, or the average person would think of in these situations. Now these are hypothetical, average person, a person who doesn't exist. This is lawyer talk. You have to understand lawyers make up meanings of words to suit their purposes. But this is what we face. And they would say that the odds are over 50% that if two people of opposite sex spend all night long in an apartment, that they had sex. That over half of them would have had sex. A reasonable man would assume that, and it would be true. That means you count up 100 people and 51 of them had sex under those conditions.

Charity: What do they do with the other percent?

Ralph: I'm just telling you what they talk like. I'm not debating your point. This is what we are faced with in our society. In the present world, this gets into politicians running for office, and the newspapers reporting about the girlfriends they had 20 years ago. You have one going right now with Mr. Gingrich, who is the head of Congress, and they are now coming up and they are saying that during his first marriage, he had sex with a campaign worker one time. You are talking about 25 years ago. Therefore – nobody says that is true or not, but they claim that probably happened. And therefore they are all concerned about the appearance of impropriety, of a sinful act. And this is the culture of the day, now. The newspaper people are looking for the appearance of an unsavory behavior that can besmirch this man's reputation. You didn't have to have done it, but if you went behind closed doors, with a female and was there longer than an hour, someone is going to think that he must have had sex with her during that hour. And that is the appearance of evil. We have gotten to that point. This is not a healthy development, but I'm letting you know that is what we have gotten in our culture by now. So the business of ethics is a two edged sword because there is nobody on earth that can't be caught on an appearance of an undesirable act when you use the kind of standards that I mention. And we are at the point where you don't dare touch a female of the opposite sex or go behind a closed door with them. Because then the appearance of impropriety will be brought up, and you can't even have that if you are going to run for public office.

Charity: Any human can become involved in a situation like that.

Ralph: That's exactly true. That is why you aren't getting very good people running for public office because the smart ones don't, those with any ability; why should they waste their time? You can't defend yourself; there's no way you can prove you didn't do something.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: And that's what they're asking. Prove you didn't do something immoral when you two were behind that closed door.

Charity: You can't prove anything because it's going to be impossible to disprove it.

Ralph: Correct. In the past, its been up to the accuser to prove something happened behind that closed door.

Charity: Is there not a law in your justice system that states you are innocent until proven guilty?

Ralph: What about these big ethical issues of the day? Prostitution you mentioned already, with women selling their sex for money, and you don't get all up in arms about it. I thought that would be something that you would think would be a generally poor use of their bodies.

Charity: They are not hurting themselves. Why should we be concerned?

Ralph: Because, again, of one of the rules of God, as pronounced by the churches.

Charity: Did you happen to bring the book so we could finish up?

Ralph: I'm sorry. I don't know where it is. You are not supposed to have sex for any purpose but for having children. That is very clear in the Catholic church at least. You cannot even have fun. I mentioned that. The Catholic Church would never approve of that, you are not supposed to have fun that way.

Charity: The Creator made the human being to have, as we understand, a drive, so how can you, as a human, keep that drive from not occupying and not being used and discharged'?

Ralph: The Catholic church has said, "You should stay away from all women and only live with men if you are a man." That is what the priests do. Then they start molesting little boys and acting homosexually. So I don't think it works out too well.

Charity: So what we understand is that it is a rule of the Church or the religious function to put this onto human beings to make them perfect unto the sight of The Creator, correct?

Ralph: Yes, the results are in the quotations in the book on The Origin of Satan, that the idea of being pure spiritually included castration, of all things, so they couldn't have sex or babies. They cut it off. That was supposed to make them even purer. Some of these great theologians did that.

Charity: If that is supposed to have made them purer, then they would not have been born into a male or female species.

Ralph: We only have those two choices.

Charity: You have what we are.

Ralph: These are the only two choices we've got.

Charity: Or they would not have been born. Therefore no aspect of a human is perfect, nothing.

Ralph: OK.

Charity: So why try to be something or attain something that is totally unobtainable?

Ralph: Because that makes you like Christ. I think that would be the card that they would use.

Charity: And Christ was supposed to have been the son of The Creator

Ralph: Because he never had sex with anyone all his life.

Charity's Views on the Sabbath

When I had conversations in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we covered the Biblical injunction to keep holy the Sabbath, Sunday in our calendar. Here is the transcript of that discussion.

Ralph: One , two, three, four, "There is no god but me, make no graven images, don't use the Lord's name in vain”. Then "observe the Sabbath and keep it holy as I, the Lord your God, has commanded you. You have six days in which to do your work, on the Seventh day is a day of rest dedicated to me. On that day, no one is to work, neither you, your children, your slaves, your animals, or the foreigners who live in your country. The slaves must rest, just as you do. Remember, you were slaves in Egypt and I, the Lord your god, rescued you by my great power and strength. That is why I command you to observe the Sabbath."

Charity: The Creator does not rest. We do not rest.

Ralph: That's what the story says. He rested on the Seventh day after creating the world.

Charity: Why would the Creator need to do that? The Creator is not human. The Creator is energy. Why should The Creator be tired?

Ralph: I'm just telling you what the story said.

Charity: It makes no sense to ourselves, because The Creator is pure energy. The Creator cannot become tired. The Creator is not a human being. The Creator is energy, pure and simple, and is the creator of ourselves.

Ralph: I think I could see a few other flaws in that, too. You don't have days of the week there.

Charity: No.

Ralph: So therefore, without time concept, you have no reason for seven days to go past anyway.

Charity: No.

Ralph: You wouldn't know when the Sabbath was.

Charity: No, we wouldn't know on what day the Creator was supposed to start creating.

Ralph: We do have some conflict there – which day is the Sabbath, anyhow? Some say it is Sunday and some say it is Saturday.

Charity: Do not some say it is Friday, also?

Ralph: The Jews start Friday and go through Sunday. I'm sure you have some somewhere who call it Tuesday, if they want to.

Charity: As we state, first and foremost, The Creator is not going to know it. We don't have time for that. I think that pretty well answers that avenue.

Ralph: So it doesn't make any sense to take a day off to rest?

Charity: The Creator does not need rest.

Ralph: But the humans do; they do better that way.

Charity: Right, therefore that is why they are stating that avenue. It's their rule.

Ralph: A good social rule.

Charity: Of course. But don't you not have priests and men who lead the worship who work on those days.

Ralph: I lived with one, remember.

Charity: Right.

Ralph: His biggest day was Sunday, and I was told he couldn't work on Sunday. Because of that rule, I didn't.

Charity: The rule is not followed, is it not?

Ralph: Believe it or not, while at home, I did not see the contradiction. I feel awfully stupid for not having seen that, but I lived under the injunction that I was not allowed to work at any job I had on Sundays, and I met that restriction when I got my first job in the ice cream store where the biggest day was Sunday when everybody had visitors over and wanted ice cream. They would come down to the store on Sunday afternoon to get the ice cream for Sunday night. And I had a heck of a time saying, "Should I go to work?" Fortunately my uncle was visiting and he said, "Go to work!" He was a preacher, so I got sanctioned, but that nearly ruined my entry into the workforce.

Charity: The Creator does not need you to be tired.

Ralph: But my father was busy, busy, all day Sunday.

Charity: So therefore it is not really being followed.

Ralph: Anyhow, it's here.

Charity: So it's another human made rule.

Charity's Views on Healing by Faith

When I had discussions in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we covered the idea of physical healing because of faith that God would heal us. This is the transcript of that conversation.

Ralph: Oral Roberts was on this program.

Charity: Oh, we know.

Ralph: He got started when he had TB when he was a teenager. He had been a trouble maker and a ne’er-do-well apparently before that. He was not doing according to what his family wanted him to do.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: Everybody else got TB and died. He got TB and I think it made a great impact on him, that everybody had died just before he did. So I think he was afraid of dying.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: But he felt that he had faith in God at that moment. Because he had faith in God, who then could heal him, is why he got well. They make a point of this over and over again that – and the Christian Scientists do this all the time – if you have enough faith in God, God will heal you. When you don’t get healed, it’s your fault for not having enough faith. That’s the way they look at it.

Charity: What we are stating on that aspect is first of all, if it is in your Life Plan to get well, you will get well. Period. Your Essence will take care of it.

Ralph: You are very clear about that. And if you have faith in God while this is happening?

Charity: You have faith in it?

Ralph: I’m not sure what that means, you see?

Charity: What we think they were stating is that if you have enough belief in something in The Creator to bring about a physical well being, that it will bring about a physical well being. If you have enough belief. But if you don’t believe strongly enough, therefore you as a human have failed. Therefore you have a concept that you as a human must have enough faith – if you do not have enough belief system, then you are not going to get well. If you do not get well, you did not have a strong enough belief system. Why do you humans choose to do that?

Ralph: I'm taking from you that that is not a correct interpretation as to why people get well.

Charity: No.

Ralph: You have said that already, I'm just pointing it out. Having enough faith in God is not going to create the cure.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: If your plan is to get sick and die.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: OK. All right. They also had some comments there about people who are spiritual getting sick less often than people who are not spiritual.

Charity: That is a falsehood.

Ralph: Well, what is the point in being spiritual if it’s not going to keep you alive longer?

Charity: Are you spiritual?

Ralph: I don’t know. I think so. I'm not sick. See, that proves it.

Charity: Again, that’s what the humans do to each human. It’s not the humans’ design to try – what the humans are trying to do is try to show that other humans are below what they are in a belief system. They are showing a fallacy in what other humans believe. If they don’t get well, or believe strong enough that they are going to get well, then they don’t meet the high standards of what the other humans have done. So they are in an innate guilt system that they do to other humans.

Charity's Views on Resurrection

During 1995, I had many conversations with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. Below is one regarding what might happen at the time of the resurrection of all Christians.

Charity: We are most happy but not around any religion.

Ralph: This is a little point that we could debate with the Christians on the resurrection of all believers at some point in the future when Christ will arise from the dead and all of them will arise. Who wants to resurrect these bodies that are causing all these troubles? Why should that be a great glorious advantage?

Charity: As we have stated many times over, which body?

Ralph: Why have any of them? They are all defective in the first place.

Charity: That is correct. Why would anyone want them?

Ralph: Why would that be a great and glorious goal? I don’t get it.

Charity: We don’t understand that avenue either. Somehow when they designed writing the book, someone had to come up with that avenue. Why a physical joyous reunion with a physical body that brought them joy, but every human can testify that the body is not joyous in itself?

Ralph: It has to fall apart, or they wouldn’t have died. I don’t see how it ever got to be such a wonderful goal.

Charity: As we once stated, it was written in the book that should tell humans the basic avenue of that.

Charity's Views on Respecting Parents

During my conversations in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we discussed the Ten Commandments. Here is one regarding the injunction to respect one’s parents.

Ralph: The next one is "Respect your father and your mother, as I the Lord your God command you so that all may go well with you and so that you may live a long time in the land that I am giving you."

Charity: Why would The Creator want to say that?

Ralph: I think it's a nice idea to respect your father and your mother. We've talked about that recently.

Charity: Right, but that's just as a child who is growing up, and when you are as a child when you grow up, everything that you are learning culture-wise, and value-wise, and so forth is by the avenue of your parents, as the Guardian has picked out. Correct?

Ralph: Yes.

Charity: Therefore it has molded you into the human being that you need to be to start listening to your Essence. So this is another rule again that the humans have laid down onto the human race stating that you need to listen to your father and your mother. The Creator does not care if you listen to your father and your mother. He does not have a father and a mother. He is The Creator! The Creator, again, is not human. The Creator is energy.

Ralph: Well, again, it's a good rule.

Charity: Of course, it's a good rule.

Ralph: But of course there are children who have no father or mother, who are orphaned, so how could they ever follow that rule?

Charity: They can't.

Ralph: They'd be in violation of it.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: They'd be bad people.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: You can't have that. Anyhow it is a cultural guidance rule, but it isn't anything that The Creator would have put down if he was making all these up Himself.

Charity: Of course.

Sunday, June 22, 2008

Charity's Views on Prayer

In 1995 I had a series of conversations with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. This is one regarding the usefulness of prayer.

Ralph: We are now at 12-15-95 with Charity talking about the TV program "Miracles and the Extraordinary." All right now, these are questions that came to mind. I just want them on record. They talked in this program with one priest, Marianne Williamson, another preacher and a doctor, and they all seemed to agree that there was a power of prayer to help heal people. Now you are laughing already, which indicates that you don’t agree with them. Is that correct?

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: Well, we will drop that subject. Then we go on to why should so many people believe in a power of prayer if something hasn’t been demonstrated by experience?

Charity: The avenue is that you have humans that are in a group that is praying for another human being who is ill, but the avenue is designed for that human being, their charge, to exist or to become well. This will happen no matter what. We have a question for you. What is prayer?

Ralph: Well, I think that is usually defined as a spoken or non spoken thought directed towards a higher power, usually God, asking for some particular intervention in human life.

Charity: First of all, humans don’t need to do that. The Essences already know what needs to happen.

Ralph: Well, our religions have taught us we need to do that.

Charity: So by prayer, it is a request?

Ralph: That is one type of prayer, yes. A prayer may also be a praise and a thank you.

Charity: Why do they call it a prayer instead of a request? What is the difference?

Ralph: A prayer is always devoted to a god. I say "a god" because you can have cultures with many gods.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: It is not to another person that a request would ordinarily be. It is a request in a prayerful way to somebody who doesn’t physically exist.

Charity: A reverent request?

Ralph: Yes, a reverent request, to a non physical being.

Charity: We understand. So it is a request for an interaction of a higher level of existence, as in our realm.

Ralph: Yes.

Charity: Correct?

Ralph: Yes, and the other questions they ask there is "can God refuse to answer a prayer and give a NO answer instead of a YES answer?"

Charity: Well first of all we have again that the Essences know what needs to happen. Just like with knowing what is going to happen with your Life Plan. We had stated to you that you would cease.

Ralph: I would cease? You certainly did that get that message over, yes, I remember that.

Charity: What happened – Michael went in and talked to The Creator. It was deemed that it was not an appropriate time and things would continue on the way it was supposed to continue on. That was an instant where we have now a different time. Correct?

Ralph: So we could say – I remember what happened there in that I didn’t make a prayer to anybody about that.

Charity: No, you asked Michael.

Ralph: It was my attitude was not one of emotions or – it was more a comment that it would seem to be a waste of my efforts and abilities to shorten it, to cease at that point. I think I could be of more use after that, too. I had something more to offer. But I wasn’t asking to be relieved of that problem. I didn’t even think I could ask to be relieved of that problem. It wasn’t anything I felt I had any charge over. If it was going to be, it was going to be.

Charity: But Michael came up to ourselves, and we had a discussion on the matter.

Ralph: So therefore that would –

Charity: Just as you remember.

Ralph: Right, so that would be equivalent to the purpose people might have. So who could say that when there is something that does change what the pattern has been made out to be, that the Essence has done the appeal, shall we say?

Charity: Correct, they can also be denied.

Ralph: With all the factors.

Charity: Just as Becky has been denied.

Ralph: I heard that on the phone once, about a husband, yes.

Charity: Yes.

Ralph: All right so, but we have, actually we have a problem, in our studies of these things, we do all kinds of studies of associations between this event and that event. There are more of these and more of these in the same group at the same time, but everybody jumps to a conclusion that one is causing the other.

Charity: Which it is not.

Ralph: Now it may be causing it in some indirect way through six other connections, but we don’t know that. Or they both can be caused by the same phase of the moon or something external to both of them. But that is a human frailty in logic. Now they made also a great deal of to-do about the faith of the sick person helping them get healed. It was a common comment.

Charity: We don’t understand that.

Ralph: Exactly, I'm sure you don’t understand it because I don’t understand it. Now, does the Creator answer prayers yes or no? Well, we have already said it doesn’t work that way. Except that it can go up through the Essence making an appeal like you mentioned. But we are not aware of that as a conscious prayer that we are saying in public.

Charity: Why do you humans have to make requests? Why is it important to voice a request? Why?

Ralph: Well we do it at the Rotary club every noon, as part of the ritual at every meeting. Basically it is a thank you for having this wonderful food and this lovely place and we appreciate God for having given us this opportunity to be with our friends.

Charity: So that basically is thanking everybody for what has been done, correct?

Ralph: Yes. We are not asking for something with that. We are simply thanking them for having us.

Charity: Why are you humans beings into always having to ask something for themselves?

Ralph: I'm just saying, that’s only one type of prayer, the kind we have in Rotary Clubs is the thank you prayer.

Charity: But most requests are they not, asking for something?

Ralph: If you are sick, you want to get well. So you pray to God to do some miracle to you to get you well. That is the rather human appeal.

Charity: Then you also have the humans who have a request to cease -- to cease to exist, correct?

Ralph: I'm sure some who have a terminal illness and are in pain will do that, yes.

Charity: Becky’s charge, one of the false fronts, used to always do the request that she be taken away from the pain. Then you have "help me deal with this child."

Ralph: Or get us a new husband.

Charity: Or help us lose weight. Let us as a human look better. Let us as a human make more monetary gains.

Ralph: I heard a good one. He was in some kind of difficult jam, where his life was at stake, and he said, "God, if you will get me out of this jam, I will stop smoking." He got out of the jam and he has never smoked again because he was so thankful to God. That is a very common – this is a common type of human behavior.

Charity: Again, why is it that the humans think that the Creator is concerned on the avenues about – the Creator has designed your plan and the plan is for the Essence to be involved first and then to go to move up, as you state, the chain of command.

Ralph: They pay full attention to that one person. Because The Creator has to look after everything.

Charity: The Creator is there, to be the planner and director

Ralph: There is good delegation of authority. To give you the power and authority to do the job. And He has designed that system quite well.

Charity: The Creator does not create chaos.

Ralph: Well, unfortunately we were not aware until recently that you were there available for such direct intervention, so they have all had, we had the two messages, one the shamans had that you go directly up to The Creator, or to your spirit guides or whatever format that tribe and that culture had that were other names for you. Or you could go to the church where they would say, "We have a God we approve or, Yahweh, or Mohammed, or Buddha, or whichever, and if you do these little rituals, he will listen to you. If you don’t do these rituals as prescribed, he won’t pay attention to you." Now that exerts control as to who gets there. Which is always in church. Why would a church exist if they didn’t have control? They would have no purpose in being there if they couldn’t moderate these contacts with God.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: "The reality of this presence is experienced most profoundly through the state of prayer known as contemplation."

[Here Becky, Marie’s ISH, replaces Charity.]

Becky: That is not incorrect. It’s an avenue, it is basically how we operate, which is intuition.

Ralph: Well, I think contemplation is a more neutral term.

Becky: Contemplation is when you are sitting back

Ralph: Being reflective.

Becky: Correct

Ralph: We knew that when we are trying to come up with answers to big problems.

Becky: And did you not state that prayer is basically asking or reflecting inside or asking for something on a higher plane to help you with the problem?

Ralph: I think that depends on how you are trained in it by your church. Obviously some churches lead you to believe you can pray miracles into existence, if all you get together in a prayer circle and heal somebody. We have heard about those, right?

Becky: Of course, many times.

Ralph: And then you have others, like Thanksgiving Dinner, when we are praying to thank God for having us still alive at Thanksgiving, which is what the Pilgrims were doing that day. So that’s a little more neutral, but sure we have been taught that we can appeal to ask for something that is not likely to occur.

Becky: Correct.

Charity's Views on Population Control

In my conversations with Charity, a Spiritual Professor CIE and my mentor, in 1995, we discussed how our Earth’s population could be contained within reasonable boundaries if everyone followed their Life Plans. That would mean they did not live more lifetimes than they absolutely needed, so they would not waste the world’s resources during those extra lifetimes.

Charity: The population of the universe, of your globe, at this time has reached the maximum it needs to reach. We need to, as you would quote, you used a term that was very interesting, "recycle." We need to keep recycling. Humans have chosen to make your live plans longer than what is necessary. We would like to see you be able to cut down to a hundred lifetimes before your life is completed. When you have learned your Master Life Plan, you can go on. Right now it is stretching – an average life span of about 1000 to 1500 years in you life terms. Enough is enough.

Ralph: Just looking at it statistically, if one Essence lived one-third less lifetimes on earth, which would be appropriate if they learned faster, then they would be saving on one-third of the pollution, and filling up of space of the world without any loss of life quality, or loss of resources. They don't need that other one-third if they would go through, instead of 5,000, they got through in 3,000 lifetimes.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: And we could save another 2,000 people having to fill up buildings that we would have to build more and have to fell more trees.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: So that would be a great and harmless improvement in the problem of excessive birthrate, which we now need to populate for those Essences.

Charity: What is happening is that you have the increased births in humans, but it is now turning in as one part of your hemisphere could only have all girls, mostly, and another part of your atmosphere, your hemisphere, has all boys. It's going to make it very difficult for that hemisphere to keep reproducing to what we need. And also with the other hemisphere. It's becoming lopsided. Enough is enough. Let's bring back the knowledge that you humans need to grow and mature spiritually along with your intellectual aspects and qualities. But you have to realize that each one has to take care of each. You are not separate and alone on your own "plot of land." It's an inconsistent ideology. It needs to be stopped. Man has been the tool to have your globe be what it is. But with too many existent human bodies on to it, parts of the globe are becoming destroyed or invaded. That is why the design of it now is to let humans know that they are not alone. That there is a design, that there is a plan, and how they fit into that plan. And by understanding how they fit into that plan, is to understand how we operate.

Ralph: Just one question, having these more mature Emotional Selves growing and becoming Essences, are we still going to be fragmenting off new ones that will be very junior, immature, or are we going to work with the rest of the ones we have now?

Charity: You will have Essences being – you will have fragments breaking off, but it will not be the part where they have to start as newborn or baby Essences. That will not happen. You will have – the human population will be at a steady rate for the maturity-wise. They will be at that rate for as long as The Creator has deemed for it to happen.

Charity's Views on Manipulation of Humans by the CIE

During 1995, I had many discussions with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. During one of them we discussed how she is so good at manipulating me to do what she wants me to do. Here is a transcription of that conversation.

Ralph: You may use something exciting for the purpose of teaching humans.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: But you don’t need it just for the purpose of entertaining yourself.

Charity: No.

Ralph: That is a human characteristic, to entertain yourself.

Charity: We don’t need entertainment. We are most busy with our humans. You could state that humans might call it puppet masters? We pull strings.

Ralph: Puppeteers.

Charity: Pull strings.

Ralph: Puppeteers is the terms, those who manage puppets.

Charity: Manipulators.

Ralph: Yes.

Charity: We do not manipulate, we –

Ralph: Well, having been a subject of this manipulation, no, it is not done with a force that moves the human. It is done by taking advantage of the tools that are within the human, like sitting in and driving a car. You know where the key goes so you stick the key in there, and you know if you turn the key, then the motor will start. You know which pedals will work to get the car going backwards and forwards. So you use those pedals. You are not manipulating the car; you are using the tools that are built into it. So you know what pushes me, what issues I've got. You know where you can push and pull. So, in that way you are simply using your extensive knowledge of our inner mechanisms. You know if you push this, and this, he will get over there.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: He has to get over there when these things are operating.

Charity: And now you have learned to just go with the flow.

Ralph: Now all I need is the mental urge and I need a shortcut. I’m not wasting anymore time with this, you know. I know you are going to win this little struggle anyhow if I want to fight with you.

Charity: Once this had happened and you knew you could write, and you could, and you knew that you were not going to do it by yourself, then you knew that we were still here, then you felt most comfortable. Then the next item was for yourself to contact Michael instead of acting, but to practice and to know. Once you have done that, the next step for yourself was for you to recognize what your mate was like – what your boundaries were – what your existence was about. That was about the conversations with Hope about your union with your mate. That was a steady manipulation on our part. To have you understand what was going on, but to only give you enough that you could digest safely without a complete overload, as that was most important. With all that avenue, then our next realm was to get Becky’s charge moving. Once we got her in the spot she needed to be and moved, and everyone else, all the other humans that were ready, which was Michael, Cathy, Skip, and Dan. Gene were ready; we had already maneuvered them to where they needed to be. But yours was the most difficult manipulation we had to move. We had to get you away from the institution, which was very important. That was easy compared to the difficulty that you had regarding always finding the appropriate time when your mate was in a decent, calm frame of mind to be able to discuss any matter. But your mate was never there. And with yourself constantly in fear, we had to feed the information through her for you to hear, for you then to act.

Ralph: And you understand, in my family, breaking up a marriage is not a common easy thing to do, a major default.

Charity: And the reason that you did not receive the award last year was that we had to use it for this year.

Ralph: Well, I still wonder how that happened.

Charity: You will never know.

Ralph: Why should I never know? They all know.

Charity: We will never let you know. By using the award this time as a catalyst to make you move, was what we needed. If you did not have that, you would not have left, and everything would have begun to disintegrate. And we were not going to let that happen.

Ralph: My question is, now that it has been done, why can’t I know the history? It won’t reverse the history.

Charity: You will not know. It is not important.

Ralph: I agree it is not important, but it sure is interesting to know.

Charity: It is not important, therefore you will not know.

Ralph: I don’t want to blame people if they didn’t have anything to do with it, OK?

Charity: You aren’t living by the principles.

Ralph: I can’t blame anybody. I don’t know what happened.

Charity: That’s correct, you will not.

Ralph: If you maneuvered it, they didn’t know what was going on anyhow.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: They just blurted out something and "Did I say that?" I imagine that’s the kind of thing that happens.

Charity: Well, on the avenue of making you move, that was the catalyst that we needed. Once the catalyst happened, you were able to go. Once you went, you realized you had friends around yourself. You had Gene then who helped move you. He did not need to help you. Everything was in place to bring you up to this point.

Ralph: Any other tidbits that I don’t understand?

Charity: Any other questions?

Ralph: Any other people that were involved?

Charity: You will find them, you will see them.

Charity's Views on Lying

During 1995, I had many conversations with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. Among them were talks about the Ten Commandments. Here is one exchange we had regrading the commandment, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” [Exodus 20:16]

Ralph: So let's go to the next one. "Do not steal" We've already covered that. You don't have objects up there to own, so again you have no concern about stealing. Here again this is a social rule that is better if they do follow it, but their Essences will be there and if you have turned Essences, they are going to steal. Alright, here is another one we didn't cover. "Do not accuse anyone falsely."

Charity: Is that not lying?

Ralph: Basically, it would be like in a court action, in a trial, like when Danny went to court for his molestation charges. The witnesses against him should always tell the truth.

Charity: Well, that is an avenue that we most definitely work to help the humans to always do. That's the Essence that is involved in that avenue.

Ralph: Well, this one is the reverse of telling the truth. Basically, don't go and make accusations that are false about somebody to try to get them into trouble. Which is a good social rule.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: Whether or not it is something The Creator would have laid down is another issue.

Charity: As we have said, The Creator created the human population. The Creator is not going to lay down these rules of conduct to the human population. All these are done by the human population to control the population.

Saturday, June 21, 2008

Faith's Views on Light & Energy

During my discussions with the CIE in 1995, I had one with Faith, a Spiritual Guardian CIE, about the various types of energy they are and work with. This is a transcription of our conversation about light and energy.

Ralph: Faith is here to explain how she is different in energy operations – it's something we try to use physical words for a non-physical experience, and that's very difficult.

Faith: First of all, we have to remember the CIE are energy, pure and simple. The Essences are not. The Essences have had physical bodies. They have lived and reacted with other human beings, which we have not. So our energy level is mostly constant. In fact, it is constant. But the process of making it constant is that the humans we have been in contact with or that we talk to who are involved with our Essences that we are in charge with, if we come into contact with too many of the turned Essences, then we have to shift some of our energy focus unto them. Just like, as Becky was explaining it to you, regarding the energy level situation, I can feed as much energy as she could possibly want to keep her at a certain level.

Ralph: Now let me just try to understand the terms again. I'm having to be careful with the English language, because it is based on physical concepts and we are using physically defined words -

Faith: Wait a minute, I think we know what you are going to say. OK, if you want to define what Becky's energy would be like, it would be like this leaf. That would be Becky's energy level. Our energy level would be those four trees in a line, with all those leaves.

Ralph: Let me back up, it's not exactly what I meant. I'm well aware that just the term energy is not adequate for this because there are at least two kinds of energy, I'm taking this from physics, and light, and what I read recently on the physics of light, and this is why I want to make sure we are using the right terms by a certain definition.

Faith: OK, alright.

Ralph: In physics, energy is never destroyable.

Faith: Correct

Ralph: It is only convertible into another form. Now, if I am to pick this stick up, I use energy to pick this up off the ground, because gravity is a type of energy that is pulling it toward the ground. If I drop it, energy is going to apply to it and be called gravity. There is an attraction between all objects. There is an attraction between the object called Earth and this twig.

Faith: Right.

Ralph: And the reason why this body stands on this earth instead of floating around is because gravity is the attracting force, energy between this small body and this big body called the Earth. Alright, now that kind of energy is considered to be constant, as far as the total supply is concerned, but my muscular energy could be transformed into gravity energy by dropping the twig. Now, in that book on light, it is quite clear that the energy that you are talking about in mental operations and in Thoughtspace is not the same as the energy that I have to use to pick up the twig or to walk my body around the streets. That is why I say, that is convertible and Einstein made the formula of conversion between mass and energy. Now, that, we are talking about again energy in the Thoughtspace realm, I will have to make an assumption as a question. Can it be transformed into anything else?

Faith: What are you stating by conversion into something else?

Ralph: This twig itself can be burned with a match, and that will transform the energy holding the molecules together; they will be freed, and, by the heat applied to it, we transform that into heat energy and light energy.

Faith: Right.

Ralph: Now, we understand that in physics, and that is all part of the way the physical world is put together. Now I hesitate to use that concept of energy in talking about you in Thoughtspace. That's my problem. As I suspect it does not operate the same way.

Faith: No. It does not.

Ralph: And I might need to have some –

Faith: The terms you would understand would be the energy you were talking about, but that's not our energy.

Ralph: So it's an energy of a different quality.

Faith: Totally.

Ralph: That's where I get confused about declining energy or increasing energy because the energy of the physical world is only transferable. It's not declinable. The total volume is static, and they have done studies all over the universe showing that which we have has been here all the time and has been converted to different shapes and sizes.

Faith: Thoughtspace is not that avenue.

Ralph: That's what I'm saying, trying to put it into words to describe it creates a problem to me.

Faith: Your energy is converted energy and nonconverted energy – place those two together and that is our energy. Plus more. But there is not a term or a phrase that there is in your language that can explain that situation to you.

Ralph: I'm aware of that, that's why I'm mentioning this that I don't want people to misunderstand when we use the word energy. The energy that we are converting is not in your area.

Faith: No. Energy in Thoughtspace is totally different than the energy level in the physical realm. That's why we are trying to give a “for instance” of the way the energy is. Becky would be a leaf. I myself would be four trees with all their leaves together. Hope would be twice as many. And Charity would take them all.

Ralph: The whole forest.

Faith: Right. And lots more.

Ralph: I'm just saying that –

Faith: By myself feeding that one leaf with my four trees with all of their leaves, would be depleting my reserves that I have. Especially when I am feeding it to one Essence.

Ralph: When you have 150 to look after and all of them have troubles.

Faith: That's right. By those four trees, I'm going to wear very thin on leaves. So by wearing very thin on my leaves, I must call on Hope for help, "We need to do something about replenishing my trees, here. I'm running very, very low. How about replenishing?" Hope will say, "No problem, let's get everything under control and you guys come up here for a while. We will send somebody else down there that's got a little bit more trees than you do that doesn't need as many leaves right now, and they can take over for you." We say, "That's fine," and we go away. When we come back, my four trees are back, my leaves are back on the branches and I'm ready to start again.

Ralph: It's like in a bank, you build up your account with a transfusion of money from the central bank in Philadelphia or somewhere.

Faith: Right

Ralph: We are doing that all the time.

Faith: What I am stating on human terms it's about the best I can describe it.

Ralph: The question I have then in that energy, is there a fixed amount that is in the universe, like we say a fixed amount of physical energy is on this globe?

Faith: A fixed amount of energy – No. It is not a fixed amount. Ours is a never ending.

Ralph: So that gets into the infinite capacity of the whole space.

Faith: If you can describe the infinite capacity.

Ralph: So you are never going to run out, no matter what we do down here.

Faith: No.

Ralph: That's nice to know.,

Faith: But the only avenue of what, for ourselves, for why we had been stripped of our leaves so fast was because of the avenue of the way Becky needed our help. That's why if we remember correctly there were two or three times when we said we had to disappear for a while. But once we disappeared and came back, everything was just fine. It's just a matter of the extreme emergencies that we had to deal with.

Ralph: Now the emergencies were caused by the human emotions.

Faith: Correct.

Ralph: And the use of Free Will by the False Front and all the personalities.

Faith: And by the other therapists and the other individuals that were involved and were becoming involved with whole process of getting Becky's charge back to way it was. And the reason why it was so important was that Becky's charge is to do what she is doing now, to bring you back into the path you need to be. That's why it was so important that our energy level was going down because it was important that it happened at a certain point in time and that it would come back to now.

Ralph: You had a very good reason to put out all the work, because the goal necessary to hold her together. Because I have to have her vocal cords. If I don't have your vocal cords, I'm not recording anything.

Faith: That's correct, you aren't.

Ralph: Then I wouldn't have anything to type.

Faith: That's correct. Then you would feel very comfortable and wouldn't have to worry about any fights, correct?

Ralph: I don't think it would change a bit in that subject, but it would be nice to think it would, but it wouldn't, so I might as well go ahead and write.

Faith: Right.

Ralph: I'd get the fights anyhow.

Faith: No matter what.

Ralph: I should get some rewards after all this time.

Faith: That's correct.

Ralph: Alright, we are talking, you can't measure the energies in Thoughtspace, we are talking about the light of the universe, the light of wisdom, that kind of light, people see a light at the end of the tunnel, in OOBE there is a light. Those kind of lights are not shining from the sun with physical photons. And therefore you couldn't use the rules of physics that measure photons

Faith: Because there are not rules.

Ralph: Because it isn't the same.

Faith: It's not measurable.

Ralph: There are no tools to measure it.

Faith: No. Just as Charity told you, there are not tools to measure it. Just as there are no rules in our realm.

Ralph: That's a problem, in physical space, the only way you know something is there is to have a tool to measure it.

Faith: Correct

Ralph: Like I have an eye to see this, I have a hand to touch this and these are my physical tools and I can take a measuring device and all that.

Faith: You can't measure a thought.

Ralph: I can't measure any of you people. Therefore, people say, "You obviously don't exist if we can't measure you."

Faith: You could take your calibers in the air and describe one of ourselves.

Ralph: But that would only be hoping I would get a bit of air between them and you are not in the air.

Faith: No.

Charity's Views on Leaders

During my conversations in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, we discussed how our political leaders are chosen. We have a belief that in a democracy leaders should be chosen by the voters whom those people would lead. Charity disputes this idea, saying that the Spiritual Guardians of the potential leaders know whose Life Plans include their being leaders. Therefore, those who have Life Plans including holding high leadership positions in government need not be elected. I have to admit that she didn’t explain just how those individuals would be certified as the right ones for those positions. But here is our discussion on how to get leaders of our governments.

Charity: Why would you want to pass something [a law] that can't correct a social behavior when your family has instilled what social behavior you need for that culture which you are born into – that the Guardian has selected for you? Why?

Ralph: I don't know. Why do we elect these people to office? Some of them are you’ve got to be kidding.

Charity: Do you vote for them, is that not the term?

Ralph: The ones I vote for don't always get there. I wonder about the people that want to go into that line of work.

Charity: What we would like to see in your realm of your running your government is not an elected official. It would be basically a position that the Guardian has led that Essence to put their charge into. It's not something for the humans, other humans, to vote on for that other human, being you think as a human thinks that that human needs to be into. It is not up to you humans to decide what another human is going to be into if the Guardian has chosen for that one to be in there. If you have chosen to disapprove that one that the Guardian has been told to put into that office, you have therefore deviated from their Life Plan and you have deviated from your Life Plan and the other ones that have voted it down.

Ralph: Could I introduce the fact that in ancient Athens in Greece, I understand, they did exactly that?

Charity: Thank you.

Ralph: They had all members of the legislature picked by lottery

Charity: That's not the term we're talking about.

Ralph: I'm saying that every, in this case, only males, were considered equally competent to go into the legislature, and they just pulled by lot who would go to the legislature. They didn't run for election, nobody had to have campaigns, nobody voted, but they got a very representative sample of the citizens who did quite well. I'm just saying the fact that they were led in there by that method instead of election turned out well.

Charity: That is an avenue that we had instilled unto that culture, but they had taken it further by still drawing a lot instead of letting the Guardian take over.

Ralph: You could still decide whose lot gets drawn.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: I'm saying that this avoided the question of elections and all the ramifications of campaign contributions.

Charity: But what we are concerned about is because of your avenues, because your globe is not being run well, is that you humans are choosing what individuals need to be running your globe's affairs, and therefore the ones that we have sought are not in there and they should be in there. And then each course of all humanities that are on the glove their courses are not clearly laid out, they are deviating from where they should be.

Ralph: Well, I think you have just hit another sacred cow. This was just the latest. I want to bring to your attention that our election process as a republic, which you should note is that all of us that are represented elect equally a representative who goes to the central headquarters to vote on these issues with the other elected people. We don't directly vote on the issues from home. That is another suggestion however, by the Internet, that we could do that. But at this moment –

Charity: You humans are even choosing to change the design of the Internet to cause them to get onto that.

Ralph: I'm just pointing out that we have a second hand vote through our representatives.

Charity: What we would also like to see, as we told you, is that the monetary system be abolished, but we are working towards that now.

Ralph: Well, I don't think I will be around here to see that. We consider this particular style of electing representative to be a great improvement over what most of the world has, who don't have the choice to elect anybody. And who gets into run the government is somebody who shot the other president.

Charity: It might be what you humans consider running, but most humans don't even know what an Essence is, therefore when the Project comes across, the idea of an Essence and the duties and responsibilities of the CIE becomes known and your leaders will then understand the avenue and may change back to what it should be. This is all part of The Great Deception.

Ralph: How is that aspect ?

Charity: You humans needed an avenue of having, once we have stopped you believing in and worshiping ourselves and then reincarnation was taken away, all the avenues of all the other stuff regarding the parts of the Great Teacher, that everything was changed to bring about a way of making sure that your globe was built up and evolved the way it is now. Once that is happened, then this part of it must be changed back to what it used to be.

Ralph: Then let me ask then on the question of government representation, the old style was kings, and initially they would be the most powerful warrior in the tribe. Isn't that generally who became a king? The others die off, and only the strong survive. He was also a charismatic leader whom everybody respected.

Charity: You have to remember that when, as you say, in ancient Greece, they had drawn the representatives by lot. They had also for the way that the battles were done, or if they had won a great battle so they were then deemed to be very important to be leader of that great country.

Ralph: That is one style of picking a leader,

Charity: That is an inadequate style. We do not enforce the idea of the idea that you humans have of destroying another Essence. Why bother to try and kill another human being?

Ralph: I'm not debating that, I'm just pointing out that the original king, many times, was the most successful leader of their army.

Charity: The most successful warrior and leader, but there was an avenue which was distant in history, you can't find it in your literature, but there was an avenue with one civilization or culture that we were involved in that they were elected for their wisdom only, to run a country.

Ralph: I'm just pointing out the sequential ways. The next one is the kingdom that then goes by birth, and the king's son then becomes the next king. The king of England – that's the way they have it, right? These are styles that have existed.

Charity: These are all part of The Great Deception.

Ralph: Let me try and understand what was being deceived in this political – I don't get the connection between the Great Deception and the political succession of leadership.

Charity: You have to remember the succession of leadership was to build up the country in your globe to what it is now. We want it all to be reversed back to the culture that we have been involved in quite some time ago. To bring it back to electing or having the Guardian instilling into the Essence is to let that human know that they have the wisdom to run that country or that continent or that state or whatever you choose to call it.

Ralph: I have an automatic question. How does this child then growing up to be the leader let anybody know about this to where they have a chance to be a leader?

Charity: It will be acknowledged.

Ralph: What about the one in Tibet? The Dali Lama is reincarnated into another little boy and that becomes the next Dali Lama and they just chose one not too long ago. In fact there were two contenders that were being challenged.

Charity: And therefore you can tell that there was not an appropriate system if there were two contenders.

Ralph: Well, I'm just pointing out that's what they have been doing for quite some centuries because they believe they can tell who is the reincarnated person of the dead Dali Lama.

Charity: No one can tell or decide who is the one who has the wisdom or the knowledge. That is why it is very important that the Essence be acknowledged and therefore the Guardian be acknowledged.

Ralph: I'm saying that that is another style that is close to what you are talking about. This person is destined to be the leader, and they took this little boy out, and they said, "We recognize him to be the destined leader for our country."

Charity: We would instill onto that human that this is the time we would be open, a lot being drawn, that lot could only be that human's lot and therefore would be running your continent for the matters that need to be for the wisdom and the spiritual maturity of the one pointed out.

Ralph: You can bring this to a real live president. How about John F. Kennedy? You told me he was now one of The Great Teacher.

Charity: Yes.

Ralph: Well, he was the president for two years. Now he went through the political process, he ran for election, he did all that and he became the president. Now was he not meant to be the president? Wasn't he where he was supposed to be?

Charity: He was meant to be, but you have to remember what you humans at that time had the fear of Catholics running because, most humans were afraid of that to happen. So all of the cards were going against him, they had made a decision, most of the humans did not think that Mr. Kennedy was going to be elected. And because of that, but of course you know that changed, if we remember right, he won not a gigantic margin but a popular vote margin.

Ralph: My point here is that he got elected in the standard process, so, if he was meant to be, why can't the born leader be elected through the standard process?

Charity: Because they are born leaders, you have very few of them, and most of your leaders that you have now become occupied with turned Essences and Essences that are being turned that most of the humans are concerned with monetary values instead of the avenue of helping others in need of whatever. They are not interested in sharing what they have to help the other humans.

Ralph: It does appear that one could get through the political process if one feels one belongs at the top. They have to be presidential acting to become elected.

Charity: But you humans also have to remember that you have monetary values of spending enormous amounts of money, of monetary funds to elect someone to any office. You have humans that need to be put into that office, but there is not enough money to get into that office. And most times we will not, we will change it if it will happen, needs to happen immediately. But most times we will not intercede.

Ralph: In regard to politics, we have major questions here. At this moment, we have countries where people have no right to pick their leaders, and they get whoever can undermine the current leadership, usually a general who raids the palace and gets rid of the present general who is in there. In some countries they have gone through nine generals in nine years. Those are not too stable countries, and they are often considered dictatorships, which is a bad word. But what you are suggesting is another kind of dictatorship, you see. These people have not come as a result of being recognized by the people they are dealing with as being qualified, having experience of working up in higher and higher levels of work, and therefore why should they be trusted with running our country? They haven't shown any skills. We have one right now, Jessie Jackson, who's a black minister. He has never run anything and he keeps running for president of the US. He hasn't been a mayor, he hasn't been a state governor, he hasn't been a legislator. He has had no governmental experience whatsoever, and if he would get elected – it takes skills to do the job.

Charity: He could have had the skills in a prior life.

Ralph: We don't know about his prior lives to be able to judge that.

Charity: Then why would you humans want to judge another human? What we are stating is why should you humans be judging something that has already been ordained by the Guardians they have?

Ralph: Nobody out there voting knows that the Guardians have decided any of this.

Charity: That is why it is important when the Project comes out that they will understand that avenue.

Ralph: But that is not likely to be an acceptable idea, because they could consider it a con job on the part of the person who said, "My Guardian said I should be president, so here I am!" That's not going to go very far.

Charity: There was the precautions to be put onto that avenue for that to never happen. We are not telling you that it is going to happen in your great-grandchildren's lifetime.

Ralph: I can see that. I'm saying that we would have to change completely the structure of the governmental process. I'm just saying it would seem to me on the surface of it that for somebody to make that assumption, that they are qualified for a leadership role in their society, that they are then going back to the dictatorship role.

Charity: You have to remember that if you humans state, as an example, if you humans choose to say, "My Guardian has chosen me to run the country", you would know by that pronouncement that no, that is a falsehood. No human is going to make that pronouncement. No guardian is going to make that pronouncement. It will happen. And for us to go on with this avenue will just bring you more questions. We would rather that we drop this subject and pick it up at another time to go on with it.

Ralph: Could I ask, as an example on TV last night, on the training of a man who led the Tartars through Asia, called Attila the Hun. And it was a description of his childhood and upbringing that led him to lead the Huns all across Europe as their leader since he was 35, and his father and uncles had all died. Now he was trained from boyhood with all the skills needed to lead his people. There was no lack of training that he was given. He was skilled in everything that he had to do. Now he naturally was seen by everybody who knew him as the most talented horseman, hunter, etc, that there was and they had no problems in seeing him leading him, because he was trained from age four. Now if that's going to happen, fine, the person is proving himself to his friends and neighbors, but otherwise I don't see how you could expect anybody to follow him.

Charity: What you were stating is what you humans believe is now, is what you have seen and what you have experienced. You do not see it how we see it. And for us to try to explain it to you is confusing because your belief system's instilled knowledge is taking control of what we are trying to state. When we can get the right wordage for you to be able to continue on for this part of this conversation, we will, but right now it is at the point that you are not ready for it. We have gone as far as we can with that avenue of it. Do you understand that, Dearest?

Ralph: I stated my question. OK, the other part of our belief system is that government works best with the consent of the governed.

Charity's Views on Lawyers

During my discussions in 1995 with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor, she taught me how reincarnation works. She taught that there is a first series of lifetimes which is called “Survival Training” during which the paired Essence + Personality are learning how to survive in their culture. Then they progress onto lives in which they have a major occupational identity. The first identity is that of Preacher, the least spiritually mature occupational identity. After being a Preacher, they move up the ladder to become a Journalist. When they have been that a few times, they then progress to being a Lawyer, the occupational identity which is the third least spiritually mature one. After that lifetime, they will have a wide variety of occupations, depending on what their Master Life Plan says. Here we discuss the role in society of the lawyers, whom I had to work with repeatedly while working in prison and doing court reports on accused criminals.

Charity: The first lifetimes, as we have told you, is for the preachers. Usually the next mode is the journalist mode. After that is usually your lawyer's mode. Then you have various other modes. Then it’s usually after that the Doctor mode. Then it starts working itself back down again.

Ralph: I see that is where we are going overboard on that because, as a human doctor, if I don't put someone on life support, I can be accused of killing them and violating one of the Ten Commandment.

Charity: But you are not.

Ralph: Tell that to our lawyers. They will take my license away for that.

Charity: You are following what the space we reside in dictates.

Ralph: When I was on Emergency room duty, my Essence knew that, all the doctors and nurses knew that. It is the other folks telling us how to operate who get in the way.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: If they would leave us alone, it wouldn't be a problem. You don't have people wanting people to die quickly. You are doing everything you can to maintain them, but you are not being foolish about it. You evaluate everything right there, and you make judgments. There is nothing wrong with those judgments. The Essences are all there working together. I understand that.
Unfortunately, lawyers don't. Do lawyers have Essences? I'm not sure they do.

Charity: We just told you.

Ralph: I'm kidding, but it seems as if they have forgotten somehow that it's in there somewhere, because they are not using those principles at all.

Charity: We understand that.

Ralph: Now if you CIE had so much to do with AIDS, you could have stopped it. Because then they could have done the things they already knew how to do with the other diseases. But now we can't even look for contacts and warn them. You didn't need a law to deal with AIDS. The lawyers ruined it by this law.

[Now Faith, a Spiritual Guardian CIE, replaces Charity.]

Faith: Human's Free Will changed it, the avenues –

Ralph: I'm saying that inasmuch as the other diseases all operate in the same way with human beings, we don't require laws to protect confidentiality.

Faith: OK

Ralph: Somewhere along the line an intervention could have occurred so the lawmakers didn't pass that law.

Faith: When that happened, did you need ourselves?

Ralph: You're not going to tell me that was a necessary law.

Faith: We are not going to make a judgment call.

Ralph: I don't think you wanted the law.

Faith: We are not going to talk about that and human Free Will.

Ralph: Human Free Will is what makes all the laws.

Faith: Thank you.

Ralph: You haven't got any laws.

Faith: We have no rules.

Ralph: You just have individual choices at the time of making choices.

Faith: Correct. All avenues of choices.

Ralph: No legal ethics, only situational ethics. Basically, each person is unique unto all others.

Faith: Correct

Ralph: Well, one of the major rules that messes it up is what I call the Fairness Doctrine. That everyone must be dealt with fairly, meaning equally to all people, and that is not part of your code.

[Here Charity comes back to replace Faith.]

Charity: No. Each human has to experience their Life Plan that they are set upon this time to experience. You humans want to change that.

Ralph: That is where our lawyer friends have been propounding that very vigorously, and they are getting control of the rules and regulations for all these things.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: Now maybe you can do something about the types of lawyers we get. Can you improve their spirituality?

Charity: No.

Ralph: Now come on, that would seem to be the most effective way to improve the system.

Charity: No, they don’t have enough time and experiences to be able to improve them.

Ralph: They are not terribly advanced.

Charity: No.

Ralph: So they are in need of a lot of control.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: Now I have to deal with them at work.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: It’s a challenge.

Charity's Views on the Jews of Jesus' Day

In 1995, I had many conversations with Charity, a Professor CIE and my spiritual mentor. This is a transcript of one such conversation about the Jews of Jesus’ day and the way they viewed what Charity calls “The Creator”.

Ralph: The other conflict then was the Jews and the sect that became the Christians, which was not anywhere else in the world.

Charity: No.

Ralph: There is only one God. But the Jews had labeled this as a vengeful God that would punish people that didn't obey His rules, and I have heard that in the Jewish temple since that time, which seems like a bad, hostile parent.

Charity: Right

Ralph: It doesn't match. And Christ said, "It's a loving God that loves all of you even though you are doing awful things." This is a more positive view which is what my father was teaching, as an improvement over the Jewish God. But there still is only One. Nobody debated that, and they would not have a god of this and a god of that and a god of the other. But then they also prided themselves on sacrificing themselves. Since Christ was killed, if they were killed, they were like Christ, and you end up annihilating a large portion of the population that way, which is not a very productive way to proceed.

Charity: No, it is not.

Ralph: I couldn't quite see why they were all laying themselves open for execution.

Charity: What they saw in part of the Teacher [Jesus Christ] was the aspect of a forgiving nature which most of the humans up until this time also did not have. They saw in the Teacher something that they wanted to have. Therefore that is why they were sacrificing themselves to be the same as what "The Teacher" was.

Ralph: Now, there is no mention in this manuscript about the belief in being reincarnated later, that this was any kind of a positive attitude, even though I know it was a part of the belief system of that time.

Charity: Yes, it was.

Ralph: Did that play an important part? That they could say, "Go ahead and kill me. I'll be back later."

Charity: Yes

Ralph: So it didn't mean that much to them.

Charity: They believed that most fiercely that they would go ahead and offer themselves for that because they wanted to be part of that particular nature of The Teacher. But they also knew they were going to be coming back again to be, as the book states, to be reborn, even though that isn't in there.

Ralph: Actually, what it says in here is not the reincarnation concept. It is believed by many now that Christ rose from the dead on the third day after his execution, and therefore is they "believe in Christ," take Christ into their heart, they will rise from the dead, which meant the physical body would come up out of the grave.

Charity: At the appointed time. We have an answer to that aspect. Which life is going to be resurrected? Which body?

Ralph: Oh, I've heard you. That's why the two messages don't jive. And the reincarnation message doesn't jive with that one.

Charity: As we were stating, it was the start of the Great Deception.

Ralph: You must go in a certain place and live in a certain building, and things like that, or attend a certain church. So you have much more broader rules. Like the Jews cannot drink out of certain dishes, and that is very strict. You can't use the pot for cooking that you are using for something else.

Charity: No.

Ralph: You don't care what kind of pot they use as long as they eat healthy food.

Charity: We don't care what kind of religion they care to worship. Just as long as it does not indoctrinate or change the role of the human at that time. We chose for them not to be a follower of things and follow blindly.

Ralph: Instead of listening to their own Essence, listening to the turned Essence of a cult leader.

Charity: Most correct.

[Here we have a discussion of the Dead Sea Scrolls.]

Ralph: And the other books were going to be burned and destroyed, but the librarians decided to bury them in the desert instead. Thank you folks. And they finally dug them up 1500 years later. All part of the plan, of course. Now, we came to this question the other time about what did happen at the time of the crucifixion. First off, there is in here an excellent discussion of the way the Gospels write about the reasons for the crucifixion, who was responsible for it, being he was executed by the Roman governor, along with other criminals that had been sentenced by the Roman governor and yet it was the Jewish leaders, Sanhedrin, etc. that were accusing him of all these terrible things.

Charity: Misdeeds, yes

Ralph: Right, and they allegedly pressured the governor to execute him, and the governor, according to the Bible, said, "No, he hasn't done anything wrong," and they list Pontius Pilate as the one who said that – He was really a nasty guy in history, who executed anybody he cared to. He was not a patsy.

Charity: No.

Ralph: So they give a false picture of the Roman governor of that day, who was really a very cruel person, and he wouldn't have cared what they accused him of, he would go ahead and execute him.

Charity: How do I explain this?

Ralph: So the writers here were trying to blame the orthodox Jews.

Charity: Correct

Ralph: And not blame the Romans, who were really in charge of execution.

Charity: Correct

Ralph: The only time the Jewish leaders could punish anybody was if they violated some religious law.

Charity: Correct, and they take it up with the Roman government to make sure that execution, or whatever else, was carried out. And they can say, therefore, that the Romans are the ones that executed them, they did not.

Ralph: Well, in this case there is that appearance in the Bible to blame it all on the Jews. And therefore they have gotten blamed for killing Jesus and that's been a major problem for the Jews. Because then the Christians can say, "Well, you killed our leader and we can hate you therefore."

Charity: Therefore it fosters a beginning of an ethnic hatred.

Ralph: Antisemitism, par excellence

Charity: And so once it has done that, it is beginning to be sanctioned to all corners of your globe.

Ralph: That's not a very healthy thing.

Charity: Therefore the Deception has started as we told you, it was the Great Deception.

Ralph: OK, now was the execution – the other reason that the Romans would have wanted to execute him was that they were putting down everybody who was challenging their rule.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: And he was just one more out of hundreds, another young rebel.

Charity: He was one who was creating havoc, that's correct. And they did not want him to be proclaimed as King of anything. And that was what they were proclaiming him as was King. Therefore they were usurping the authority of the Emperor at that time by making part of the Great Teacher a King onto their own right, when he was not.

Ralph: Well, did the Sanhedrin and Pharasees, who were the leading organizations of the Jewish church group, did they want to get him killed for some other reason?

Charity: The crescendo happened with them bringing to the ruling government at that time that this human being was a detriment to them as leaders to make sure that the humans obeyed the laws of the government. By doing that, the government said, "Yes, you are most correct. We were thinking about destroying this human being anyway."

Ralph: OK, there is another interesting thing I didn't know about until I was reading here, and that is some 60-70 years after Christ's birth there was a revolt by the Jews against the Roman government and it was after that that the Gospels were written, that were accepted were written. And they were being written after the Jews had lost the battle, and they were struggling for survival and they didn't want to antagonize the Romans anymore.

Charity: What the Jews needed was some kind of strong positive self esteem that they could realize was there and they could follow it. That was what they needed. That was why they were written, but they were so deceived in the concept of different matters that the book was written.

Ralph: I'm just saying that between the time of Christ's life and later when those books were actually put down in black and white, there was the war.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: That the Jews lost, and therefore they were in the position of a losing enemy, and they didn't dare write things or publicize things that would antagonize the Romans anymore.

Charity: Yes, of course.

Ralph: Then they were blaming the other Jews for this horrible deed, and making the Romans look like nice guys who were patsies.

Charity: That's correct.

Ralph: And that is what they were really interested in, keeping the Romans from annihilating them any further.

Charity: Of course.

Ralph: So you see that as being a reasonable reason for it.

Charity: Yes.

Ralph: Now, at the time of the crucifixion and the three days and being born again, there we have again several different stories in here as to who they were talking to three days later.

Charity: As we told you, it was an image of the human that they had perceived and still knew. If we had come to them as another entity or another energy life force, or into another human body, it would have not – the Great Deception could not have started. Therefore it was entered into that aspect that we brought the human back onto the earth to walk around and to say, "Hey, I'm here."

Ralph: OK, what happened to his physical body that was lying in the grave?

Charity: It was decayed and disappeared, basically.

Ralph: In three days?

Charity: Yes, we can do that.

Ralph: You superdecayed it? You speeded up the process?

Charity: You have to remember too –

Ralph: You couldn't have it in two places?

Charity: No, we can't. You have to remember, too, back in those times, you had the, they say that, if I remember right, that the stone of the tomb was rolled and covered it, and when this female human came, she found the stone moved away from it, and there was nothing laying in the tomb when she came. First of all, when you have a boulder or rock that is going to be rolled into it, it's not going to encase that body so that nothing can ever come inside.

Ralph: Certainly, air is going to come in.

Charity: Not only that but, how do we say this? Other creatures can come in.

Ralph: Well, it was not a tight seal.

Charity: Do you understand what we're saying?

Ralph: You could get in there whether a rock was in front of it or not.

Charity: Do you understand what we're saying?

Ralph: With a rock in a door, you are going to have all kind of cracks around it.

Charity: Creatures can get in to it and therefore –

Ralph: Termites, ants do this all the time at our houses.

Charity: And other matters of animals, yes. Therefore it, the body, was not there anymore, because there was nothing left of the body and whatever was not done away with, the rest of it was done away with by ourselves.

Ralph: So the physical body was –

Charity: No more. It was not existing.

Ralph: Dust unto dust, yes, shall we say. It returned to its original atomic parts

Charity: That's being nice, yes.

Ralph: It went back to its original atomic forms, but these people saw an image that was somewhat like him. [a hologram]

Charity: It was the image of the human that they remembered.

Ralph: OK.

Charity: If we had chosen to come back as some other form, they would not have recognized it and the Deception could not have started.

Ralph: So he did not rise physically with the same body out of the grave after having been killed with all the knives and swords into him?

Charity: No. That was an illusion brought on by ourselves.

Ralph: He actually said that to several people in the non-published books.

Charity: He also said in the published version, "Don't touch me."